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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by saget on Thursday February 01, 2018 @01:25PM (#16284308)
How you dress is very important. Knowing enough about current events and having your own, thoughtful opinion about them. Knowing a number of books and using them in conversation. Rules on when to be blunt are different. Never order a burger at a restaurant. I could go on but it's a hard thing to summarize. (source: was middle/lower class, now have many 1% friends)
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by pb on Thursday February 01, 2018 @01:30PM (#16284373)
What's wrong with burgers? Expensive restaurants often have really good burgers.
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by sxates on Thursday February 01, 2018 @01:47PM (#16284513)
The burger at a nice restaurant is usually the token 'affordable' item.

That said, I'm a big fan of burgers and order them often. Screw what other people think.

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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by saget on Thursday February 01, 2018 @01:41PM (#16284458)
I think it has to do with it being a finger food and having less "class" associated with it. It's not always an issue but I have definitely received judgment for ordering a burger
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by hkmurakami on Thursday February 01, 2018 @02:05PM (#16284721)
Friend's father is thoroughly blue blooded and won't even eat fries with his fingers (will use a knife and fork)
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by walshemj on Thursday February 01, 2018 @04:02PM (#16285858)
I was told by a friend in sales that it was an sacking offence for an IBM salesman to be seen in a Mc Donald's
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by gt_ on Thursday February 01, 2018 @01:47PM (#16284511)
in America, it suggests an acclimation to fast food.
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by munificent on Thursday February 01, 2018 @03:28PM (#16285558)
In America, everyone eats burgers and is acclimated to fast food.
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by nathanasmith on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @06:17AM (#16315550)
This is not even remotely true. Were you joking?
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by tytytytytytytyt on Thursday February 01, 2018 @01:34PM (#16284417)
And Ikea has some really good furniture one could assemble themselves, too...
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by ericd on Thursday February 01, 2018 @01:52PM (#16284572)
The only way to become wealthy is to spend less than you make. The only way to stay wealthy is to spend less than you make (and have your investments outpace inflation). One of the best ways to do that is to not inflate your lifestyle, like starting to think you're too good for things like putting together your furniture from Ikea.
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by saget on Thursday February 01, 2018 @02:05PM (#16284717)
Some of the wealthiest people I know are also the cheapest. The other week my gf's parents (very well off) refused to go to a clinic that their insurance didn't work at after their son cut off the tip of his finger. Took them and hour to find a place to go. It seemed absurd from my perspective to put a few hundred dollars in front of a medical emergency when you can afford a private plane, but I guess that's part of why they're rich.
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by ericd on Thursday February 01, 2018 @06:16PM (#16286872)
Heh at that point, I'd say they're being cheap to the point of not being practical. A slightly greater chance of restoring that finger to full use is worth a lot more than a few hundred bucks if you're not seriously low on money. But yeah, their cheapness probably has something to do with why they have so much money stored up.
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by atomical on Thursday February 01, 2018 @04:12PM (#16285938)
If it is a few hundred dollars to stop the suffering sooner it sounds like OCD.
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by afterburner on Thursday February 01, 2018 @01:55PM (#16284599)
> The only way to become wealthy is to spend less than you make.

This is hilariously wrong.

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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by ericd on Thursday February 01, 2018 @06:11PM (#16286844)
Feel free to elaborate on why it's wrong. I don't mean spending less than you make at all times, and I don't mean "make" as in "earn at a wage-earning job", there are many more ways to make money than that. In the long term, your wealth is the money you've made (including capital gains), minus what you've spent.

You might say that's completely obvious, but it helps some people to be reminded of it.

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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by greenleafjacob on Friday February 02, 2018 @12:11AM (#16288570)
It's not wrong, but think of it this way: if you short a stock, your downside exposure is unlimited because the price can go arbitrarily high, but your upside is finite because the stock can only go to zero. In the same way, you can only decrease your spending so much, even to zero, but you can increase your income by an unlimited amount.
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by ericd on Friday February 02, 2018 @02:26AM (#16289008)
Yep, you're right. For many people, though, increasing their income substantially is harder than decreasing their spending substantially, and also, many people are in the habit of increasing their spending when their earnings increase by, say, switching from Ikea to higher end furniture, or trading in that used Honda for a new Mercedes. For many people, it's so bad that they end up not saving any more, while putting themselves in a more precarious position if their income ever dried up.
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by afterburner on Monday February 05, 2018 @05:12PM (#16312719)
"Wealthy" and "wealth" mean different things.

You also used the word "only".

Your sentence read as "you can't become rich other than just saving on expenses." Maybe you can see how that is a really weird thing to say.

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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by wmeredith on Thursday February 01, 2018 @02:26PM (#16284973)
Over the long term, it is correct. I think you may be spending with investments.
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by closeparen on Friday February 02, 2018 @02:49AM (#16289099)
If furniture can make or break you, we're talking about degrees of middle-class-ness, not wealth.
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by ericd on Friday February 02, 2018 @09:12PM (#16295746)
It's not just furniture, it's staying at nicer hotels, going to Bora Bora instead of Hawaii, buying a Mercedes instead of a Honda, buying a boat instead of renting one. Each thing on its own wouldn't break someone with some money, but it adds up. And you can keep ramping that up, especially if you get into something like private aviation.
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by gf263 on Thursday February 01, 2018 @01:29PM (#16284357)
>never order a burger at a restaurant

Whelp there goes my dreams of hanging with rich people

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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by macNchz on Thursday February 01, 2018 @01:53PM (#16284577)
Au contraire, just stop by JG Melon on Manhattan's Upper East Side, longtime favorite burger joint of wealthy prep school types (and Mike Bloomberg).
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by RmDen on Thursday February 01, 2018 @02:46PM (#16285179)
oh wow.. brings back memories... back in the 90s use to go there for dinner on Thursday and then to Webster Hall for Psychedelic Thursdays (free entry with train badge/button)

They had good burgers and chef salad was good as well...

P. J. Clarke's is another one where you could get decent burgers.....

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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by gf263 on Thursday February 01, 2018 @07:27PM (#16287270)
Great, I’m moving to Manhattan in a month!
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by philipkglass on Thursday February 01, 2018 @02:33PM (#16285061)
The rules about books, food, and current events could just as well come from "how to fit in with graduate students in the humanities (and sometimes other disciplines)." Which might explain why I and my friends never "coded" as poor when I was in graduate school, even though I was technically living below the federal poverty line for a few years.
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by kd0amg on Thursday February 01, 2018 @09:34PM (#16287937)
It's sort of a weird position and a good example for illustrating the distinction between social and economic standing. Grad school often feels like an extended exercise in class-passing.
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by yellowstuff on Thursday February 01, 2018 @02:52PM (#16285233)
The burger thing depends on context. I know some law firm partners who regularly get burgers at Peter Luger (popular steakhouse) with each other, but would never get a burger at a dinner with clients.
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by stcredzero on Thursday February 01, 2018 @01:50PM (#16284538)
Never order a burger at a restaurant.

I've noticed that waiters/waitresses seem to treat me worse if I order a beer where I could've ordered wine. Especially when the cuisine is French or centered around steak.

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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by kbenson on Thursday February 01, 2018 @02:01PM (#16284668)
I could see that. Luckily, craft brewing is getting so big that some places also have interesting beer selections presented almost like a wine list. Probably not French places though, or higher end steakhouses. :/
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by emodendroket on Thursday February 01, 2018 @04:16PM (#16285990)
I mean, if you're into sour beers at all you can easily pay fine wine-like prices for beer.
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by emodendroket on Thursday February 01, 2018 @04:16PM (#16285985)
Well, the hell with them. Beer is the better drink and making it requires more sophistication (it's definitely a more complicated process).
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Re:How does ‘class-passing’ actually work? by cat199 on Thursday February 01, 2018 @01:54PM (#16284589)
> Never order a burger at a restaurant.

... unless you are taking part in some 'whimsically proletarian' sort of event, or making some sort of 'statement'

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