How Apple Built a Chip Powerhouse to Threaten Qualcomm and Intel

Re:How Apple Built a Chip Powerhouse to Threaten Qualcomm an... by trothamel on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @03:34PM (#16268756)

Isn't Apple cheating?

They're taking their CPUs and clocking them at speeds the device can't support, except when brand new, then letting the device slow down over the corse of its usable lifespan.

It would be interested to compare an Apple and Qualcomm CPU after a year and a half, to see how the benchmarks have changed.

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Re:How Apple Built a Chip Powerhouse to Threaten Qualcomm an... by jrs95 on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @05:42PM (#16269780)

It takes quite awhile for the battery to degrade to the point it can’t run the CPU at max capacity anymore. And it still could, but it would be potentially unstable.

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Re:How Apple Built a Chip Powerhouse to Threaten Qualcomm an... by theresistor on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @04:58PM (#16269470)

That's incorrect. The CPUs don't degrade, the batteries do.

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Re:How Apple Built a Chip Powerhouse to Threaten Qualcomm an... by mrep on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @10:27PM (#16271054)

You're completely ignoring the question. Do other smartphones start out fast due to new batteries and slow down due to the battery degradation like Apple or do they account for the battery degradation and keep performance stable?

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Re:How Apple Built a Chip Powerhouse to Threaten Qualcomm an... by abritinthebay on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @01:17AM (#16271887)

Other smartphones either do the same thing (slow down) or just plain crash (most of them do this). It’s a common complaint.

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Re:How Apple Built a Chip Powerhouse to Threaten Qualcomm an... by AtlasLion on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @05:23PM (#16269647)

The CPU speed decreases. So doesn't matter if it technically is still able to reach higher clock speeds. In reality it runs slower.

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Re:How Apple Built a Chip Powerhouse to Threaten Qualcomm an... by simonh on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @07:40PM (#16270406)

Right, as an alternative to random crashes. Bear in mind this is not an Apple problem, its a battery problem. All the other manufacturers have this problem, they just dont attempt to detect battery power fluctuations and mitigate it with throttling. They just eat the system crashes. Its got nothing to do with the CPU design, otherwise replacing the battery wouldnt fix the problem.

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Re:How Apple Built a Chip Powerhouse to Threaten Qualcomm an... by mrep on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @10:30PM (#16271062)

> All the other manufacturers have this problem, they just don't attempt to detect battery power fluctuations and mitigate it with throttling. They just eat the system crashes.

Really, because I have not heard of any other manufacturer with this problem?

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Re:How Apple Built a Chip Powerhouse to Threaten Qualcomm an... by abritinthebay on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @01:18AM (#16271893)

Then you have not looked into it. Android forums have been filled with complaints over “random crashes” when doing something CPU heavy for years.

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Re:How Apple Built a Chip Powerhouse to Threaten Qualcomm an... by mrep on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @03:26AM (#16272380)

Care to cite any sources as I'm only coming up evidence that they don't (the last one is a forum like you said and the reasoning explained there is due to bloat)

https://mashable.com/2018/01/04/apple-slowing-down-iphones-w...

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/12/29/16829512/...

https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/29/samsung-lg-claim-older-p...

https://forums.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-note-8/8589...

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Re:How Apple Built a Chip Powerhouse to Threaten Qualcomm an... by abritinthebay on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @07:23AM (#16273312)

Source: basic understanding of how batteries & CPUs work while following tech forums for decades.

This isn’t considered controversial

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