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Re:How Apple Built a Chip Powerhouse to Threaten Qualcomm an... by servitor on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @10:43AM (#16266152)
Watch out for what comes out of ARM Austin. Their last core was the A72 from a couple of years ago. Rumour has it they've been working on a big core to better compete with Apple and Samsung.

Looking back, it makes sense that Qualcomm discarded their underperforming custom design efforts (at least for the mobile market). If ARM can deliver a competitive design, why not fully commit to their roadmap and save significant amounts on R&D costs?

Re:How Apple Built a Chip Powerhouse to Threaten Qualcomm an... by sydd on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @11:23AM (#16266521)
Because if ARM cannot deliver they are fucked.
Re:How Apple Built a Chip Powerhouse to Threaten Qualcomm an... by hinkley on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @12:20PM (#16267012)
A lesson Apple learned at the hands of Motorola.

I sometimes wonder how much of It Just Works was influenced by having slower machines. When doing everything takes longer, if you do it right the first time then it’s still faster than doing it twice.

Re:How Apple Built a Chip Powerhouse to Threaten Qualcomm an... by akvadrako on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @01:35PM (#16267687)
ARM is not just one company - it's a semi-standard.
Re:How Apple Built a Chip Powerhouse to Threaten Qualcomm an... by Shikadi on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @02:54PM (#16268404)
Would you mind backing up your claim? To my knowledge, ARM is one company that licenses their designs to other companies, who are free to parameterize and modify as they please.
Re:How Apple Built a Chip Powerhouse to Threaten Qualcomm an... by protomyth on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @04:17PM (#16269122)
I think the idea is that it probably matters very little to Apple or Samsung or any other company that has an architectural license how well the ARM originated core performs because they are building their own core and ARM is basically a standard committee to them. Obviously companies that are using the actual ARM cores care about ARM's ability to perform.
Re:How Apple Built a Chip Powerhouse to Threaten Qualcomm an... by KSS42 on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @12:17AM (#16271590)
There are two types of ARM licenses. One is an Architectectural license. This allows licensees to design and implement the ARM ISA. Apple and QCOM among others have Architectural licenses. They can add customizations such as # pipelines stages. This license is very expensive.

The other license is getting ARM's implementation of a CPU (ie A57, A72 etc). Customers can parametize # cores, cache size, memory width etc, but the basic architecture is fixed.

Re:How Apple Built a Chip Powerhouse to Threaten Qualcomm an... by kingosticks on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @04:12PM (#16269077)
I don't know what the above comment was referring to but they are more than what you describe. I'd submit AMBA as an example of this; I've seen this tech utilised by IP for ASICs that don't actually contain any ARM processor cores themselves.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Microcontroller_Bus...

Re:How Apple Built a Chip Powerhouse to Threaten Qualcomm an... by garagemc2 on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @06:42PM (#16270161)
Why don't companies just come up with their own designs?
Re:How Apple Built a Chip Powerhouse to Threaten Qualcomm an... by simonh on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @07:26PM (#16270338)
First off designing a whole core architecture from scratch is a huge and very expensive undertaking. Youd need to be able to get a really big competitive advantage to make it worthwhile.

Secondly theres a large ecosystem of add on components designed work with ARM and be dropped into ARM SOCS, such as GPUs, Wifi modules, Gyroscopes, wireless modems, GPS, etc.

Thirdly there are a lot of SOC engineers very familiar with ARM. You can hire them streight from competitors, or college, including PHDs that have done research on it. Youd need to train up any new hirs from scratch on your architecture.

Finally theres a huge software development tool chain built around the established processor architectures. To support a new architecture youd also need to build a set of compiler back ends, bearing in mind the existing ones benefit from many years of tweaking and optimization.

Re:How Apple Built a Chip Powerhouse to Threaten Qualcomm an... by KSS42 on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @12:23AM (#16271610)
Yes, SW is the key; especially Linux. ARM is way ahead of other embedded CPU architectures in terms of Linux support.
Re:How Apple Built a Chip Powerhouse to Threaten Qualcomm an... by simonh on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @01:48PM (#16267812)
Because it gives you no competitive advantage.