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Re:When ‘Gentrification’ Isn’t About Housing by bko on Saturday January 27, 2018 @11:50AM (#16246869)
This whole article seems baffling to me. It has a tone of urgency, but I don't really think a problem exists.

> Once a specialty of uptown bodegas, the sandwich had caught the attention of novelty-seeking foodies: Whole Foods was selling them for twice what they cost in the Bronx, where they went for $4 and still do.

Why would an item cost the same at a Whole Foods versus the Bronx?

> The poor are still gentrification’s victims, but in this new meaning, the harm is not rent increases and displacement — it’s something psychic, a theft of pride.

I don't believe the people they claim to be victims of "cultural gentrification" would consider themselves victims in this sense. Do people in lower socio-economic class really concern themselves if something they had enjoyed is being enjoyed by a larger audience?

Re:When ‘Gentrification’ Isn’t About Housing by matthewmacleod on Saturday January 27, 2018 @11:58AM (#16246897)
Yep, completely agree.

“Cultural gentrification” is the usual hand-wringing nonsense; it’s virtually certain that the only people complaining about this are precisely those that are unaffected by these changes.

The economic impact is a bigger problem. The idea that property sits empty, while prices and rents continue to increase, definitely indicates that something is wrong.

It’s not unreasonable to think that the free market has failed in this case, and that perhaps preventing speculation through regulation might be an effective approach.

Re:When ‘Gentrification’ Isn’t About Housing by bko on Saturday January 27, 2018 @12:22PM (#16246993)
> it’s virtually certain that the only people complaining about this are precisely those that are unaffected by these changes

I would also note that the same group writing about these issues are the ones generating controversy and resentment. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Now that someone write about it, someone reads it and believes it to be a problem. I think we should celebrate the spreading of culture and ideas. It's very American.

Re:When ‘Gentrification’ Isn’t About Housing by supreme_sublime on Monday January 29, 2018 @01:13PM (#16259369)
> The idea that property sits empty, while prices and rents continue to increase, definitely indicates that something is wrong.

Does it? People still have to pay taxes on that property, there will still be a mortgage that has to be paid, that means there will be fewer people living there, which in some ways makes it better for everyone else who lives there. Of course, it is in some ways an "artificial" restriction of supply.

However I question how many of these places actually sit "empty". I can't imagine owning property, not living there, and not renting it out. Of course rentals offer their own hurdles, but there are plenty of property management companies out there that would do it for a fee. Seems like a totally missed opportunity cost to me that would be economically foolish. It wouldn't be the first time a wealthy person has done something economically foolish, but it could be the last for that person.

>It’s not unreasonable to think that the free market has failed in this case, and that perhaps preventing speculation through regulation might be an effective approach.

Ultimately with speculation, people are taking a risk by buying the property, while it may be a hip and cool place today, will it be that way in 10 years? Will there be more housing built that will undercut any kind of appreciation you might be accumulating. Real estate has historically been a pretty good investment, however it isn't like it has never seen a downturn.

Re:When ‘Gentrification’ Isn’t About Housing by dang on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @04:00PM (#16268975)
It looks like you've been using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's an abuse of this site, because it can't coexist with the intended purpose: intellectual curiosity. We ban accounts that do this, so would you please (re-)read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use the site as intended from now on?
Re:When ‘Gentrification’ Isn’t About Housing by supreme_sublime on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @04:21PM (#16269148)
Is there some kind of objective criteria for this? I've made a legitimate effort to comment in a variety of threads. I suppose you don't think that is enough.
Re:When ‘Gentrification’ Isn’t About Housing by dang on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @01:58AM (#16272083)
Yes, the criterion is the one the site guidelines state: using Hacker News "primarily for political or ideological battle". For more on what that means and why it's worded that way, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16185062.

In practice there's a huge gap between users who come to HN to gratify intellectual curiosity, who in the course of being interested in a bunch of things occasionally comment on a political topic, versus accounts that only are interested in divisive flammable issues and use HN to prosecute their views on them.

Re:When ‘Gentrification’ Isn’t About Housing by kbenson on Saturday January 27, 2018 @12:06PM (#16246932)
Well, isn't this all cultural appropriation? Some people do get worked up about that. Though different people have different opinions on how much of a problem it is, if any.
Re:When ‘Gentrification’ Isn’t About Housing by mc32 on Saturday January 27, 2018 @02:11PM (#16247569)
I think all of this is part of the "outrage" social phenomenon. Some of it legitimate, some it bogus.

It used to be fashionable to say the US was imperialistic and imposed its culture via soft imperialist power. But now since people are consuming Korean, Chinese and other sources of culture, it's kind of impossible to still say the US is a cultural imperialist without also implying China, Japan and Korea are cultural imperialists --not to mention Mexican "imperialism" in south America via their "telenovelas".

So, now, since imperialism is a weak strawman, the new dead horse is "cultural appropriation".

All cultures take from others. No-one "owns" a culture. They evolve. Without "appropriating" from the Greeks and Romans, where would we be today? It's a bogus accusation meant to incite a population and distract them from other more productive activities.

Re:When ‘Gentrification’ Isn’t About Housing by LarryDarrell on Saturday January 27, 2018 @11:56AM (#16246885)
"Do people in lower socio-economic class really concern themselves if something they had enjoyed is being enjoyed by a larger audience?"

Yes. And they are getting pissed.

Re:When ‘Gentrification’ Isn’t About Housing by kitotik on Saturday January 27, 2018 @03:01PM (#16247819)
Too bad this comment is getting down voted.

You don’t have to talk to very many people from outside the affluent bubble to hear the resentment. Sure it’s anecdotal evidence that “they are getting pissed”, but it’s evidence none the less.