Re:Fish skin helped bears burned in the Thomas Fire get back...
by nicolashahn on Saturday January 27, 2018 @02:15PM
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The doctor in the video said fish skin is good for healing burns because it's very similar to human skin. Is the mechanism leaching nutrients or entire layers of tissue from the fish skin to your skin? As in, replacing your skin with fish skin?
Re:Fish skin helped bears burned in the Thomas Fire get back...
by loverofthings on Saturday January 27, 2018 @10:59AM
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acupuncture? it's quite interesting that even animals suffer from placebo, despite us not believing they have cognitive ability to understand someone is doing a "medical procedure" to fix their ailment.
Re:Fish skin helped bears burned in the Thomas Fire get back...
by united893 on Saturday January 27, 2018 @12:26PM
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Just FYI: acupuncture is when you inject needles into the skin to stimulate the nerves underneath. You don't need to believe in them to feel the effect.
Re:Fish skin helped bears burned in the Thomas Fire get back...
by tritium on Saturday January 27, 2018 @03:49PM
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Maybe accupuncture, in this case, operates in the same area as horse whispering, exercising trust by engaging awareness and attenuating hostility. Operant conditioning has lots of animal applications.
They can’t subject them to tranquilizers for weeks, and the pain leaves the injured animals restless, so they have to be dealt with, while fully lucid and agitated by their injuries. Familiarizing wild animals with being handled, even while in pain, and for the purpose of carrying out possibly painful procedures, has a unique set of problems to solve.
Re:Fish skin helped bears burned in the Thomas Fire get back...
by 0xcde4c3db on Saturday January 27, 2018 @03:30PM
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Is there a debate informed by decent evidence, though? As far as I know, no high-quality study has ever shown acupuncture to significantly outperform sham acupuncture, let alone outperform usual care. In my experience, studies cited by lay acupuncture advocates are usually either preliminary types of studies (uncontrolled or unsuitable control intervention, non-randomized, small N) or actually involve doing something other than acupuncture, such as running an electrical current through the needles.
Re:Fish skin helped bears burned in the Thomas Fire get back...
by loverofthings on Sunday January 28, 2018 @11:17AM
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There have been cases where acupuncture combined with some "proven" treatment does better than that proven treatment. IMO, that just puts doubt into the efficacy of that proven treatment.
Any serious disease, like cancer, skin burns, severe pain, there is no evidence it's better than placebo.
And an article about the same team: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-brazil-burns/brazi...
Think of it as a very subtle massage.
But yea, it does seem weird to do it on bears
They can’t subject them to tranquilizers for weeks, and the pain leaves the injured animals restless, so they have to be dealt with, while fully lucid and agitated by their injuries. Familiarizing wild animals with being handled, even while in pain, and for the purpose of carrying out possibly painful procedures, has a unique set of problems to solve.
Any serious disease, like cancer, skin burns, severe pain, there is no evidence it's better than placebo.