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Re:Scientists In Alaska Find Mammoth Amounts Of Carbon In Th... by leggomylibro on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @05:42PM (#16227048)
Honestly, I think he's more seen as a pulp-y xenophobe than a genius. But could he write portentous purple prose, or what?
Re:Scientists In Alaska Find Mammoth Amounts Of Carbon In Th... by chc on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @06:48PM (#16227450)
"Lovecraftian" is still used as a general term for an entire genre of fiction. He was a xenophobe, but that is not what he's best known for. Similarly, Aristotle was a misogynist, but it would not be accurate to say that Aristotle is best known as a navel-gazing misogynist.
Re:Scientists In Alaska Find Mammoth Amounts Of Carbon In Th... by scarmig on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @07:04PM (#16227540)
I think it's a bit more complicated than that. Lovecraft is fundamentally about confronting modernism and the inevitable decay of humanity in the faces of forces beyond our control. Central to that is the decay of the Anglo-Saxon genetic stock.

Xenophobic isn't quite the right word. Racist is closer, but even that misses the mark. Every story he writes is terrified of black voodoo savages, or toothless white hill people, or inbred decadent Boston brahmin families, or fishermen that are half-white-half-Chinese-half-fish.

Aristotle, by contrast, isn't that concerned with gender. He is happy to treat it as a topic, but he has nowhere near the same level of preoccupation.

Re:Scientists In Alaska Find Mammoth Amounts Of Carbon In Th... by chc on Thursday January 25, 2018 @12:56PM (#16232889)
The story in question, At the Mountains of Madness, isn't about any of those things. It's about an Antarctic expedition that finds the ruins of an ancient civilization, which they gradually realize wasn't built by humans.

I do think you're right that Lovecraft's ability to write effective horror was largely because he himself was fascinated with terror at the world. But I don't think his weird xenophobia is what he ended up actually communicating to most readers or what he's famous for. He's more known for misshapen tentacle monsters and cosmic-scale horror. For example, Lauren Beukes' novel Broken Monsters is often considered Lovecraftian horror, and it has fairly modern sensibilities.

Re:Scientists In Alaska Find Mammoth Amounts Of Carbon In Th... by Apocryphon on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @07:48PM (#16227796)
Ur-tribalist, perhaps.
Re:Scientists In Alaska Find Mammoth Amounts Of Carbon In Th... by sooheon on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @10:58PM (#16228621)
Wow, I just learned that I despise the prefix "ur-" far more than is reasonable.

Seriously though, why not call it "tribalist"?

Re:Scientists In Alaska Find Mammoth Amounts Of Carbon In Th... by Apocryphon on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @11:51PM (#16228853)
Not ultra- enough, in Lovecraft's case.
Re:Scientists In Alaska Find Mammoth Amounts Of Carbon In Th... by Cthulhu_ on Thursday January 25, 2018 @04:44AM (#16229818)
Lovecraft would've added at least three more adjectives.
Re:Scientists In Alaska Find Mammoth Amounts Of Carbon In Th... by scandox on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @07:06PM (#16227551)
He had an imaginative genius and a capability to create worlds but he was a bad writer plain and simple. He writes poorly but he has massive emotional and psychological force.
Re:Scientists In Alaska Find Mammoth Amounts Of Carbon In Th... by ekianjo on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @05:48PM (#16227079)
> xenophobe

More than the people of his time?

Re:Scientists In Alaska Find Mammoth Amounts Of Carbon In Th... by scandox on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @07:04PM (#16227539)
Yes extremely more. And I like his stories.
Re:Scientists In Alaska Find Mammoth Amounts Of Carbon In Th... by ekianjo on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @08:58PM (#16228183)
Someone born in 1890 like Lovecraft would have been educated in the early 1900s where it was all about the White Race superiority to all other ones (check school books of the time) on top of hundreds of years of such thinking, so my guess is that you'd find people thinking like Lovecraft pretty much everywhere in his time. And regarding antisemitism, it's not like Lovecraft was an exception, antisemitism was rampant in early 20th century. So while Lovecraft was vocal about it in his letters, I doubt his peers and folks of his time would have very, very different.
Re:Scientists In Alaska Find Mammoth Amounts Of Carbon In Th... by scandox on Thursday January 25, 2018 @05:04AM (#16229899)
I make my argument from his work, not from history. And I am responding specifically to the word Xenophobe. I think Houellebecq's analysis[1] is correct - the force of his work derives from the very extreme nature of his Xenophobia, which is personal and psychological in nature rather than ideological. Certainly he garlanded it with all the ideological backup he could find, but I don't think that's where it came from.

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20060507063256/http://blog.urban...