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Re:Building a Lightroom PC by ranqet on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @12:42AM (#16220600)
So, the main reason he switched to a Windows machine was to use the latest/fastest hardware with Adobe Lightroom and Premiere, but then he goes on to say the Lightroom and Premiere don’t take advantage of many core CPUs, the fastest GPUs, fastest SSDs, etc...

And Windows is fine after tweaking and adjusting dozens of settings.

I’ll just stick with a Mac.

Re:Building a Lightroom PC by PStamatiou on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @12:45AM (#16220612)
Premiere Pro definitely takes advantage of GPU and CPU very efficiently. Lightroom does not - which is why instead of going for some 18 core i9 7980XE build where it has more cores but a much lower clock per core, i opted for just 6 cores but with a very high clock.
Re:Building a Lightroom PC by vondur on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @12:49AM (#16220626)
I don't think that Premier does really take advantage of video cards. I saw a video where they had switched a really old GTX 660 vs a 1080ti and the render time was not changed between them.
Re:Building a Lightroom PC by PStamatiou on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @12:51AM (#16220632)
I did a bench of the Premiere Pro h264 benchmark ("PPBM") with CUDA acceleration and without (software): the difference was 7m 4sec without GPU and 48 seconds with GPU.
Re:Building a Lightroom PC by vondur on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @01:01AM (#16220678)
Sorry, I should have phrased it better, you don't have to have the latest and greatest video card for Premiere. But, yes, you are correct, having GPU acceleration does work.
Re:Building a Lightroom PC by bicubic on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @01:02AM (#16220684)
It's possible the operation bandwidth limited in which case at some point a faster card won't speed it up any more. But gpu acceleration vs software is an enormous difference in premiere
Re:Building a Lightroom PC by qume on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @01:23AM (#16220768)
In our workload this is definitely the case. When on the GPU the processing is almost infinitely quick. It's the transfer to and from the GPU memory which takes the time. This might be the case in the parent post.

There was a guy who managed to go directly from the SATA controller to GPU memory by modifying the Linux kernel for some postgres database queries and got massive speedup. Would love it if that sort of optimization could be more readily available.

Re:Building a Lightroom PC by walshemj on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @10:55AM (#16223620)
Seems a bit short sighted of the lightroom developers high end mac users have been worried about Apples ignoring of the high end for years now.

Ryzen and Threadripper is supposed to be a beast for content creation that can use a lot of cores

I recall reading in SoS (sound on Sound) years ago that the big name recoding studios where worried about this back then.

Re:Building a Lightroom PC by spookyuser on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @02:23AM (#16220988)
It doesn't feel like it uses my AMD card at all. Whenever I check taskmanager it's always using CPU, even when rendering. Don't know if it just doesn't support AMD cards, but I'm not sure what would help increase it's performance aside from RAM now.
Re:Building a Lightroom PC by lhl on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @05:45AM (#16221758)
Actual encoding for renders is all CPU based: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2122549

Personally, I use DaVinci Resolve, but the results are largely the same, with exports being largely entirely CPU dependent: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/DaVinci-Resolve-1...

Looks like Puget Systems does a lot of performance shootouts, including some Premiere ones: https://www.pugetsystems.com/all_articles.php

Philip Bloom recently did a writeup of his switch from a Mac to a PC for his editing machine (yes, it's definitely a trend, unless you are a FCP diehard or doing audio production, the Mac is sadly done as a content production platform): http://philipbloom.net/blog/makingtheswitch/

Will be interesting if they revisit some of the shootouts post-meltdown/spectre patching...

Re:Building a Lightroom PC by nitrogen on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @12:48AM (#16220620)
And Windows is fine after tweaking and adjusting dozens of settings.

MacOS or Linux also require tweaking to be useful for most people.

Re:Building a Lightroom PC by ranqet on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @12:54AM (#16220649)
I probably flip several settings to make macOS liveable for myself. I’d have to do all the adjustments Paul discussed and probably more to make Windows liveable.
Re:Building a Lightroom PC by nitrogen on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @01:37PM (#16225094)
I on the other hand need about a day or two (interspersed with real work) to tweak a Linux system, a few more than that to tweak a Windows system, and a week or two for a Mac. And newer versions of all of them keep breaking the essential tweaks, so I am constantly frustrated by the OS getting in my way.

You can prove anything with anecdotes :)

Re:Building a Lightroom PC by Domenic_S on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @03:09AM (#16221152)
to be useful? For most people? wow, that's quite a claim.
Re:Building a Lightroom PC by paulie_a on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @12:48AM (#16220623)
I am still shocked Adobe software handles 4k systems so incredibly poorly.
Re:Building a Lightroom PC by mrmondo on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @02:12AM (#16220946)
For image and photo editing - after many, many years I ditched Adobe Photoshop for Pixelmator Pro - couldn’t be happier, there’s a few workflows that they’re still improving with very regular releases but god damn it’s fast!
Re:Building a Lightroom PC by hungerstrike on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @01:12AM (#16220727)
You can do whatever you want with Windows.

Even after tweaking dozens of settings on my Mac, I still don’t like it.

Re:Building a Lightroom PC by mikewhy on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @12:40PM (#16224556)
Can you see the time with a fullscreen video without having to minimize the video yet?
Re:Building a Lightroom PC by hungerstrike on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @03:36PM (#16226070)
I didn't downvote you, but there are dozens of utilities to do this.

Here's one way to do it with AutoHotKey - https://autohotkey.com/board/topic/23879-always-on-top-clock...

Re:Building a Lightroom PC by mikewhy on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @05:20PM (#16226879)
Sucks that the best approximation is an always-on-top clock.

It's in the taskbar, they have functionality to show / hide the taskbar, they should combine the two.

Re:Building a Lightroom PC by hungerstrike on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @07:55PM (#16227837)
Not really because I can make it look like whatever I want. And I can place it wherever I want because Windows is flexible like that.

Meanwhile Apple doesn’t even let you change the color of your mouse pointer. You couldn’t even replace the dock if you wanted to because Apple hides the API that lets a replacement change the usable display size. They don’t even let you soft-disable an external display! LMAO

Windows is so much better. I can run Windows on any hardware that I want to and I can make it do exactly whatever I want it to. And it’s got way more software. And better software.

Re:Building a Lightroom PC by mikewhy on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @01:16PM (#16224918)
I'll take the downvote as a "no".
Re:Building a Lightroom PC by cheeze on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @01:17AM (#16220740)
Mac isn't really an option if you want a powerful desktop though, unless you want to spend $5k I guess...
Re:Building a Lightroom PC by walshemj on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @04:50AM (#16221526)
But a $5k Mac will lag a $5k Pc in performance.
Re:Building a Lightroom PC by ranqet on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @01:47AM (#16220860)
Yet OP spent that and more...
Re:Building a Lightroom PC by EpicEng on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @01:52AM (#16220880)
For a whole lot more performance than you'll get out of your comparably priced Mac. I guess he did have to... change settings though, so the thousands spent on mac aesthetics are completely worth it.
Re:Building a Lightroom PC by ranqet on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @05:51AM (#16221787)
I guess if your time is free or you enjoy all the labor that goes into research, assembly and maintenance, sure, this is cheaper.
Re:Building a Lightroom PC by EpicEng on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @10:36AM (#16223443)
It's really not that hard, and it's a myth that your free time is worth money. I have a child, a wife, and a demanding job. I still somehow find the hour or two it takes to order parts and the hour or two it takes to piece the PC together. I don't know about you, maybe you can just open a laptop and make $500 / hour on demand whenever you like, but I can't. Not sure what maintenance you're referring to either.
Re:Building a Lightroom PC by cheeze on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @12:36PM (#16224524)
Yeah, but nobody is saying that OP made smart decisions here...