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Re:Forging a Swiss Lens: How Zurich's tech scene changed my ... by barrkel on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @05:16PM (#16218331)
Zurich, along with London, has the highest salaries for development in Europe. You may need to work in a finance-related position, but you can make fairly big bucks.
Re:Forging a Swiss Lens: How Zurich's tech scene changed my ... by jpatokal on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @05:33PM (#16218496)
The one major non-finance option is Google, which has a large and growing engineering office there.

https://careers.google.com/locations/zurich/

Disclaimer: I work for Google, but not in ZRH.

Re:Forging a Swiss Lens: How Zurich's tech scene changed my ... by electricslpnsld on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @05:39PM (#16218545)
Apple also has an office in Zurich.
Re:Forging a Swiss Lens: How Zurich's tech scene changed my ... by wil421 on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @06:45PM (#16219018)
The population of Zurich seems quite small to support a large amount of developers. Everyone here is comparing London, SF, and other places that have over 4 million more people.

Zurich also has a high cost of living and well above any US cities.

Re:Forging a Swiss Lens: How Zurich's tech scene changed my ... by tgsovlerkhgsel on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @11:29PM (#16220323)
If you include rent (which is high but not as insane as in SF), it's comparable to SF: https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?cou...
Re:Forging a Swiss Lens: How Zurich's tech scene changed my ... by m_mueller on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @01:41AM (#16220834)
Zurich can draw from around 1.6M people, which is its metropolitan area with >8.3% people commuting to the center. So yeah, >4M more people is probably underselling how small Zurich is in comparison to London and SF. Nevertheless, it's not a world capital, but with its concentration of highly qualified students and graduates from two of the top universities I think it is quite competitive. Plus it helps that it's not 1.6M people isolated somewhere in a desert, rather it's a continuation of Europe's most densely populated stretch of land (London-Netherlands-Ruhr-SW-Germany-Milano), which helps at getting lots of business/talent in neighboring countries.
Re:Forging a Swiss Lens: How Zurich's tech scene changed my ... by hocuspocus on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @02:30AM (#16221015)
> Zurich also has a high cost of living and well above any US cities.

SF and NYC are a lot more expensive.

You're right about the size of the job market though, it's tiny, even relative to the population size.

Re:Forging a Swiss Lens: How Zurich's tech scene changed my ... by kgwgk on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @02:49AM (#16221092)
Re:Forging a Swiss Lens: How Zurich's tech scene changed my ... by hocuspocus on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @05:03AM (#16221582)
If you calculate unrealistically, yes, sure :)

Day-to-day expenses are a tiny part of a typical budget. In most scenarios, housing, income taxes and transportation alone will easily cost you twice as much in SF compared to Zürich.

As a software engineer, the salary difference should make up for it, or even reach levels that are unlikely in Switzerland. That's great, but for most people, I can guarantee you, Zürich is a lot cheaper.

Re:Forging a Swiss Lens: How Zurich's tech scene changed my ... by kgwgk on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @05:41AM (#16221745)
I don’t argue that Zurich can be affordable (mostly because salaries are higher in general). But the median single family home seems to go for $1.5mn both in Switzerland and Zurich. I don’t think transportation is cheaper in Zurich but I guess income taxes alone can make a difference.

The point is that many things, including many things that “rich foreigners” use to do, are more expensive in Zurich than in San Francisco. For example [1] a hair cut is twice as much ($62 vs $30), a basic dinner at a neighborhood pub for two is 50% more ($74 vs $50), going to the cinema is 30% more ($18 vs $14), a gym membership is 30% more ($118 vs 91$), etc.

[1] https://www.finews.ch/images/download/Mapping.the.worlds.pri...

edit: in the linked document, monthly rent for a mid-range 2-bedroom apartment is 37% higher in San Francisco ($3449 vs $2520). However, the cost of transportation in its different forms is higher in Zurich.

Re:Forging a Swiss Lens: How Zurich's tech scene changed my ... by kgwgk on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @09:17AM (#16222793)
> the median single family home seems to go for $1.5mn both in Switzerland and Zurich.

I meant both in SF an Zurich.

Re:Forging a Swiss Lens: How Zurich's tech scene changed my ... by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @09:51PM (#16219949)
London has very poor salaries for development, especially compared to Switzerland. Standard developers make 30-40k pounds...
Re:Forging a Swiss Lens: How Zurich's tech scene changed my ... by MagnumOpus on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @03:50AM (#16221312)
20-year-old fresh uni graduates or government employees make 30-40k pounds.

Seasoned competent devs easily earn twice as much -- or three times as much if they are contracting, or four times as much if they are good enough to hack it in the well-paying industries (bigTech or finance).

Re:Forging a Swiss Lens: How Zurich's tech scene changed my ... by richardknop on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @11:37PM (#16220353)
Yes but high end (financial industry and top MNCs) and contract jobs can pay 3-4x more than that. So when you are a good developer and are either from Europe or looking to relocate to Europe, London and Zurich are two top places you should concentrate your job hunt on.
Re:Forging a Swiss Lens: How Zurich's tech scene changed my ... by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @12:24AM (#16220536)
You'll also make good money in Bern, Basel, Lausanne, and Geneva. It isn't just Zurich, the French part is good also.
Re:Forging a Swiss Lens: How Zurich's tech scene changed my ... by barrkel on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @05:01AM (#16221569)
Entry-level developers with a couple of years experience, perhaps. Not the case for senior developers (more like 60-90k), and getting six figures GBP is not difficult if you're working in finance.