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Re:Nassim Nicholas Taleb, Author of Black Swan, on Bitcoin by ABCLAW on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @12:35PM (#16215396)
I always feel bad when I read some of Taleb's work and come away empty. The guy is clearly smart, but I feel like he skips too many steps in his mental algebra and then misses his own mistakes altogether too often.

>This gives us, the crowd, an insurance policy against an Orwellian future.

Here's a great example. Does it really, Nassim?

Re:Nassim Nicholas Taleb, Author of Black Swan, on Bitcoin by bbctol on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @01:05PM (#16215697)
You should read Taleb until you understand the important part of his message is not to listen too much to people like Taleb.
Re:Nassim Nicholas Taleb, Author of Black Swan, on Bitcoin by gburt on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @01:28PM (#16215962)
This is what I get out of his writing. He is a great pop-culture writer, expresses some important (and mostly, relatively old, repackaged) ideas about convexity and natural mathematical implications thereof.

He is one of my favorite authors, but I am unconvinced by nearly everything he has to say. He has this cult-leader style of "everyone else is wrong, but here, you can be part of the enlightened group" that I find somewhat grating, but more importantly, he simply does not provide "extraordinary evidence for extraordinary claims."

Almost nothing he asserts is empirically testable due to his reliance on fat tails and Knightian uncertainty, and when it is, it either has not been empirically tested or the entire "traditional" industry is built around the empirical results. His response to this is generally of the form "systemic failures can dominate normal effects." [1]

In the cases where he leans on statistical modelling, especially modelling with fat tails, his writing breaks down. I find his approach at that point to feel sort of "baffle them with bullshit" in the sense that he is indifferent to whether it is even possible for the reader to understand what he is saying, once he has convinced himself.

[1] e.g., https://www.facebook.com/nntaleb/posts/10155509264828375

Re:Nassim Nicholas Taleb, Author of Black Swan, on Bitcoin by soneca on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @01:11PM (#16215752)
I think he just isn't a very good communicator (nor cares to be one). He was recently a guest at the excellent podcast Econtalk and you really needed to know his ideas from other sources to properly understand what he was talking about.

I don't think is arrogance or anything, it is just a skill that he doesn't have naturally and also doesn't care enough to practice and improve.

I think his ideas are strong enough to find an audience even without this skill. Contrasting him with a Malcolm Gladwell who, imo, reaches a large audience much more from his communication skills than from the power of this ideas, I think I prefer Taleb's style.

Re:Nassim Nicholas Taleb, Author of Black Swan, on Bitcoin by _e on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @02:06PM (#16216376)
Nassim Taleb wrote in one of his books that he intentionally articulates his beliefs in a somewhat difficult to understand fashion otherwise people wouldn't take him seriously.

Malcolm Gladwell and Daniel Kahneman (author of Thinking, Fast and Slow) both credit Nassim Taleb for a lot of inspiration in their books.

Someone mentioned to me that Benoit Mandelbrot (author of (Mis)behavior of Markets) inspired Nassim Taleb for a lot of his thoughts.

So there... read Mandelbrot, Gladwell and Kahneman to understand Nassim Taleb.

Re:Nassim Nicholas Taleb, Author of Black Swan, on Bitcoin by qwz4233 on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @03:47PM (#16217532)
Another option for understanding Taleb is to take a rigorous course on stochastic processes. Afterwards, everything he says will make perfect sense.
Re:Nassim Nicholas Taleb, Author of Black Swan, on Bitcoin by coffeeacc on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @12:41PM (#16215463)
Is the preceding sentence not useful?

> But its mere existence is an insurance policy that will remind governments that the last object establishment could control, namely, the currency, is no longer their monopoly.

Re:Nassim Nicholas Taleb, Author of Black Swan, on Bitcoin by at-fates-hands on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @12:55PM (#16215583)
The only problem is what we're currently seeing. That yes, the government will do everything within its power to insert itself into the crypto currency market in order to control it.

Look at how the SEC is not only keeping tabs on crypto currencies, but are monitoring ICO's and bringing charges against people they feel are committing fraud. It's been pointed out before that although the SEC can't stop CC's, then can effectively sideline them as a niche offering to investors.

I guess this is the beauty and beast of CC's right now. Yeah, it's totally unregulated, but it's also rife with fraud. It's like people want it both to be safe and regulated while still outside the control of any government.

Re:Nassim Nicholas Taleb, Author of Black Swan, on Bitcoin by ABCLAW on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @01:05PM (#16215693)
No?

In that statement, Taleb uses his conclusion as a premise. That doesn't make his reasoning stronger.

Re:Nassim Nicholas Taleb, Author of Black Swan, on Bitcoin by tantalor on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @12:49PM (#16215525)
Bitcoin is no more a currency than gold.
Re:Nassim Nicholas Taleb, Author of Black Swan, on Bitcoin by splouk on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @12:58PM (#16215620)
But he talked about that too...
Re:Nassim Nicholas Taleb, Author of Black Swan, on Bitcoin by ballenarosada on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @01:04PM (#16215682)
Totally agree. He seems to think highly enough of his own intelligence that he's excused from being precise or even intelligible
Re:Nassim Nicholas Taleb, Author of Black Swan, on Bitcoin by dxbydt on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @12:58PM (#16215621)
>I always feel bad when I read some of Taleb's work and come away empty

Took the words right out of my mouth. His recent thoughts/tweets on Deep Learning were even more confusing.

Re:Nassim Nicholas Taleb, Author of Black Swan, on Bitcoin by ABCLAW on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @01:13PM (#16215766)
Taleb is a deeply intuitive, sharp individual - this is his weakness.

Like all the smart kids in school who rushed through math problems and wrote out the final answer rather than all the work to get there, he often skips key steps in his chain of reasoning. Since he skips them, he doesn't notice when those key steps are demonstrably wrong.

I feel he's gotten worse in this respect over time.

Re:Nassim Nicholas Taleb, Author of Black Swan, on Bitcoin by _e on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @02:08PM (#16216423)
...or maybe he is just tired of trying to get people to understand.