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Re:Network Latencies and Speed of Light by mkj on Saturday January 20, 2018 @11:58PM (#16196928)
Why aren't HFT firms using short wave radio (DXing)?

I suppose low-orbit satellite-to-satellite would probably beat fibre for anything over ~4000km too.

Re:Network Latencies and Speed of Light by rdtsc on Sunday January 21, 2018 @01:47AM (#16197146)
That's an interesting one. Maybe complicating instructions might take too long to encode, but making it a simple buy/sell trigger for one particular security could work? But also going over too long a distance means the stock markets are closed in that part of the world.

There is also a satellite company LeoSat that was trying to build a low latency long distance network of low flying satellites with laser links between them. Guessing that's a "tad" :-) (few billion) more expensive than a pair of shortwave transceivers. But if money is not an issue they say they can do 1.5x faster than terrestrial speed:

http://leosat.com/media/1115/leosat-finance.pdf

100ms NY to Tokyo, for example. Not bad.

Re:Network Latencies and Speed of Light by bostik on Sunday January 21, 2018 @03:25AM (#16197321)
> Why aren't HFT firms using short wave radio (DXing)?

They are. See mshook's response, with nice reference links downthread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16196339

Re:Network Latencies and Speed of Light by mkj on Sunday January 21, 2018 @04:03AM (#16197387)
Those are microwave which basically need line of sight? I was thinking of lower frequencies which can sometimes go hundreds of kilometers without repeaters.
Re:Network Latencies and Speed of Light by jlgaddis on Sunday January 21, 2018 @11:38AM (#16198656)
Bandiwdth, mostly.

The lower you go in frequency, the less bandwidth is available.

The entire "HF" spectrum is ~30 MHz. My Wi-Fi at home uses a wider channel than that.

The lower frequencies -- that will travel across the ocean, unaided -- don't have anywhere near the bandwidth necessary (to support the throughput that they need).

Re:Network Latencies and Speed of Light by Retric on Sunday January 21, 2018 @07:40AM (#16197850)
You want your severs as close as possible to an exchange. Even 2 miles is a noticeable increase in latency.
Re:Network Latencies and Speed of Light by mirimir on Sunday January 21, 2018 @12:39AM (#16197016)
One reason may be that the FCC is touchy about encryption.
Re:Network Latencies and Speed of Light by wmf on Sunday January 21, 2018 @12:47AM (#16197031)
The throughput probably isn't high enough.
Re:Network Latencies and Speed of Light by p1mrx on Sunday January 21, 2018 @02:55AM (#16197257)
Maybe the throughput could be increased using a bunch of MIMO antennas?
Re:Network Latencies and Speed of Light by jlgaddis on Sunday January 21, 2018 @11:39AM (#16198661)
No, the throughput available at these frequencies is measured in bits per second.
Re:Network Latencies and Speed of Light by p1mrx on Monday January 22, 2018 @10:57PM (#16210866)
PSK31 is 31 bps, but that's with ~100 Hz between channels. DXing is common in the 14 MHz band, so you could probably get to the megabits-per-second range before Physics (or the FCC) stops you.