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Re:California bullet train cost surges by $2.8B by MrFoof on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @07:09PM (#16173361)
There's a lot of reasons as to why this is the case, but the bulk of it is labor.

* Trains ultimately require close to 1 staff member per 4 passengers, much more than a budget airline.

* Unions and legacy salaries further add to those personnel costs. The average Amtrak employee ($75K/yr) nearly makes as much as the average commercial pilot ($77K/yr).

* Since train journeys take longer, the labor cost per trip is considerably higher, especially for long haul routes. When you're doing a long trip like Chicago to Los Angeles, a train takes a lot longer than a plane, so you're paying for yet more labor for that trip. 44 hours of labor for the train versus 4 hours for the plane.

There's a good video that breaks down the costs that make up your train ticket: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwjwePe-HmA&t=29s

Re:California bullet train cost surges by $2.8B by meddlepal on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @07:47PM (#16173628)
> Trains ultimately require close to 1 staff member per 4 passengers, much more than a budget airline.

Err, why? I've taken my share of commuter and Acela rides in the Northeast and there is nowhere near that level of staffing.

Re:California bullet train cost surges by $2.8B by dx034 on Thursday January 18, 2018 @04:00AM (#16175686)
> * Trains ultimately require close to 1 staff member per 4 passengers, much more than a budget airline.

Maybe in the US. In Europe, a train with 500-750 people capacity has one train driver and maybe 3-4 staff (plus on-board restaurant but that's run at a profit). No staff at smaller train stations and only minimal staff at many larger ones.

Maintenance needs staff but that's the same at airports.

Re:California bullet train cost surges by $2.8B by MrFoof on Thursday January 18, 2018 @01:32PM (#16179877)
As stated in another comment (which links to a transcript by the author with ~two dozen cited sources), this isn't staff on the train, but calculated by breaking down Amtrak's headcount of 20K people, and amortizing it over the number of annual trips and passengers. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16179794 Result is ~1 employee per 4 passengers per trip.

The author has some other really interesting (with cited sources) videos about many other transit topics, including how hub-and-spoke/direct played out in the aircraft marketplace, how budget airlines have such great profit margins, long haul aircraft economics, airline schedule methodology, etc.

Re:California bullet train cost surges by $2.8B by ComputerGuru on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @08:58PM (#16174002)
Do you have a source for the 1 employee per four passengers? Metra trains here in Chicago typically have only one conductor.
Re:California bullet train cost surges by $2.8B by MrFoof on Thursday January 18, 2018 @01:25PM (#16179794)
Watch the video, which cites sources (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2p-HoK9KXEAamNTTkdSaERqdGc...). This isn't just staff active on the train, but maintenance, administration, back office, etc.

Amtrak employs ~20,000 people. When you get to the number of annual passengers, and how many trips they operate a year, it breaks down to ~4 passengers per employee per trip.