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Re:Detroit executives are killing off slow-selling cars in f... by mikestew on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @04:26PM (#16172004)
Are American auto makers once again going to be behind the curve when gas prices shoot up again? I assume someone in the executive suite has an ace up their sleeve this time. The canary in the coal mine will be GM bringing back Hummer. :-)

I dunno, “the market is going SUV and not looking back” makes me think they are once again being short-sighted. If nothing else, it means we won’t be getting much in the way of innovation from the U. S. makers.

Re:Detroit executives are killing off slow-selling cars in f... by bsder on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @06:39PM (#16173149)
> I dunno, “the market is going SUV and not looking back” makes me think they are once again being short-sighted. If nothing else, it means we won’t be getting much in the way of innovation from the U. S. makers.

I suspect this time its more of a "Young people aren't buying cars, so extract more money out of the older folks for a bit until we hit the wall."

Ridesharing has taken a big toll on all the car manufacturers.

Re:Detroit executives are killing off slow-selling cars in f... by kesselvon on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @09:43PM (#16174222)
I wouldn't say ridesharing. Young people are broke and they aren't going to buy new cars when a car payment is the equivalent of their student loans
Re:Detroit executives are killing off slow-selling cars in f... by hkmurakami on Friday January 19, 2018 @03:24AM (#16184838)
Between younger folks and older folks are new parents.

They tend to buy SUVs.

Re:Detroit executives are killing off slow-selling cars in f... by ForHackernews on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @08:13PM (#16173778)
> I assume someone in the executive suite has an ace up their sleeve this time.

One trick is that you can make a big, powerful vehicle that's much lighter and more fuel efficient than you could in the past: http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/aluminum-and-ford-f-150

Re:Detroit executives are killing off slow-selling cars in f... by maxsilver on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @06:35PM (#16173112)
> Are American auto makers once again going to be behind the curve when gas prices shoot up again?

They don't believe so. The article discusses this -- "Today’s (SUVs and Crossovers) get mileage close to the equivalent cars."

“The fuel economy trade-off is not nearly as much of a trade-off as it used to be,” Raj Nair, head of Ford’s North American operations, said. (snip) Even if gas prices soar (snip) consumers are more likely now to switch to a smaller, more fuel efficient SUV, than abandon their beloved bigger rigs, Schuster said.

Re:Detroit executives are killing off slow-selling cars in f... by slededit on Thursday January 18, 2018 @02:27PM (#16180462)
Ford still has its European division to keep pace on smaller cars. GM disbanded theirs a year or so ago.
Re:Detroit executives are killing off slow-selling cars in f... by schwank on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @11:20PM (#16174665)
I grew up in Detroit, and my whole family worked in the industry. My parents met working at GM, but now they refuse to buy GM after how former employees were screwed during the Old/New GM transition. Add in the ignition switch debacle and they are untrustworthy.

Now add in the fact that many don't want to buy SUVs (my grandmother can't get into a SUV) and this is yet another silly short term play that will hurt them in the long run when fuel prices increase. My 2016 gasoline VW Golf wagon gets almost 40mpg highway - show me a SUV that can do that.

But hey, I can always continue to buy European cars, and I will. As much as I would love Detroit to succeed, they just can't see more than 2 years in the future.

Re:Detroit executives are killing off slow-selling cars in f... by petre on Thursday January 18, 2018 @12:45AM (#16174972)
VW also expects 40% of their car sales to be SUVs.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us

Re:Detroit executives are killing off slow-selling cars in f... by jsjohnst on Thursday January 18, 2018 @09:03AM (#16177046)
> President Donald Trump’s vow to relax fuel economy rules could add momentum to the SUV and truck boom and invite General Motors Co. and Ford Motor Co. to pull the plug on some passenger cars.

Is there anything this administration won’t ruin for future generations?

Re:Detroit executives are killing off slow-selling cars in f... by gnicholas on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @03:50PM (#16171661)
Note: they're not talking about the death of sedans in America—they're just talking about the death of sedans made by American car companies. To the extent that the most popular sedans (Accord, Camry) are made by foreign car companies, this trend is somewhat less important.
Re:Detroit executives are killing off slow-selling cars in f... by kylehotchkiss on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @06:02PM (#16172909)
Sedans in general all look sooo similar. For the person not too deeply interested in cars, how will their lives be different if they chose a focus, civic, or corolla?

It seems like car safety standards, which aren't a bad thing, have just led to an uninspiring and very similar collection of sedans here. Would be refreshing to see a 4-door car that is interesting without being a muscle car or a sports car.

Re:Detroit executives are killing off slow-selling cars in f... by WalterBright on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @06:10PM (#16172955)
The cars all look the same (like lozenges) these days because of fuel efficiency requirements. The lozenge is the slipperiest.
Re:Detroit executives are killing off slow-selling cars in f... by AmVess on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @06:16PM (#16172997)
A Corolla or Civic will generally be more reliable than a Focus, and have greater resale value. Compare a used Focus and Civic in the same model year, condition, mileage, trim level, and price. The Civic sells for $3k more than the Focus.
Re:Detroit executives are killing off slow-selling cars in f... by technofiend on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @06:58PM (#16173290)
Exactly: these cars don't sell because they're unreliable; both the Ford Focus and Fiesta are on Consumer Reports worst car list of 2017. Unfortunately there are a few American SUVs on that list as well. So caveat emptor.
Re:Detroit executives are killing off slow-selling cars in f... by tbihl on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @07:06PM (#16173340)
Ironically, they've probably ended up there for their persistently terrible automatic transmissions. Silly mistake for an American company to be making...
Re:Detroit executives are killing off slow-selling cars in f... by varroa on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @06:09PM (#16172951)
It seems like car safety standards have led

Don't forget about aerodynamics.

Re:Detroit executives are killing off slow-selling cars in f... by RickS on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @04:01PM (#16171785)
I was also surprised to see no mention of hatchbacks ("hot hatch" if you're so inclined). They're filling a really important sedan-like role that crossovers and SUVs are too bulky to achieve.
Re:Detroit executives are killing off slow-selling cars in f... by varroa on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @06:08PM (#16172947)
What do you consider a hatchback? The Subaru Outback, for example, I believe is considered a crossover today, as is the Subaru Crosstrek, but both are arguably also hatchbacks.
Re:Detroit executives are killing off slow-selling cars in f... by RickS on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @06:32PM (#16173096)
I would agree. For subaru, the Impreza wagon would qualify. Audi A3 hatch, VW golf/GTI/R, hyundai veloster, ford fiesta, arguably the newer civics, etc.
Re:Detroit executives are killing off slow-selling cars in f... by Paianni on Thursday January 18, 2018 @08:27AM (#16176882)
The Outback has always been a ruggedised version of the Legacy Tourers, so it's not a pure crossover.
Re:Detroit executives are killing off slow-selling cars in f... by munchbunny on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @06:03PM (#16172918)
I think it's because hatchbacks just aren't that popular in the US. Or at least I don't see remotely as many hatchbacks in the US as I do in Europe.
Re:Detroit executives are killing off slow-selling cars in f... by romwell on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @11:56PM (#16174810)
Depends on where you look. The Bay Area is full of hatchbacks. And even when I was living in TX, I had two friends who had a Honda Fit when I bought mine, and Fiat 500 is pretty popular over there (even if F150 is still king).
Re:Detroit executives are killing off slow-selling cars in f... by zumu on Thursday January 18, 2018 @02:56AM (#16175448)
I wonder if there's more brand loyalty to American auto manufacturers in cities/states where the roads are not well maintained. Thus their base naturally shifts towards SUVs as the ride quality of sedans comparatively degrades.