Re:Goldman Sachs Report Explores Use of Bitcoin as Currency
by FabHK on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @09:44AM
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Sure, you can argue that a house, a hamburger, and a car have no intrinsic value per se, but only in relation to humans and/or because we give them value.
But again, with that you're departing from the modern economic notion of intrinsic value in discussions of money.
Re:Goldman Sachs Report Explores Use of Bitcoin as Currency
by bobwaycott on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @10:00AM
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Do you mean the numismatic notion of intrinsic value? Because that is a very different thing from saying economic intrinsic value. I’m not departing at all on the economic part, I am directly talking to that notion.
Moreover, there is no logical fallacy here on my part. I was not refuting an argument that was not made—I was directly disputing the coherence of an economic adage the average person has been taught is actually rational and sensible when it was brought into the discussion.
Value is never intrinsic, but always created by economic actors—the logical fallacy is arguing otherwise.
Gold, like silver, various other precious metals, and a number of other things—like land, for example—have long histories of value. The historic value of gold among human societies can not be disputed. But that long history has not infused value as a physical property upon gold—or any other thing—itself.
My original statement was neither outrageous nor illogical. Bitcoin is in this case a rather perfect example that highlights exactly what I’m pointing out—the value of bitcoin is in no way intrinsic to bitcoin itself. Bitcoin possesses a number of properties which, analogous to similar properties in a physical object like gold, are found to have both use and exchange value among economic agents. But that value is not actually a core property of bitcoin anymore than value is a core property of gold. Agents identify properties in bitcoin and assign them value. This is always where value comes from—use values from the things one can do with the commodity, and exchange values from the things one can buy with the commodity.