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Re:Apple health data used in murder trial by tjoff on Monday January 15, 2018 @03:20PM (#16153075)
So they will see that the phone was on continuously for two years, then the night of the murder it was switched of for 6 hours and has been on ever since. Not at all suspicious...

(this is data your service provider already has, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is already used to flag weird behaviour)

Re:Apple health data used in murder trial by QAPereo on Monday January 15, 2018 @03:24PM (#16153107)
Even better, I find that not murdering people is a much easier solution to this problem.
Re:Apple health data used in murder trial by Fnoord on Monday January 15, 2018 @03:30PM (#16153159)
Murder is -obviously- a hyperbole (though I'm sure a certain H. Reiser would agree).

You can make a case for anything voluntarily involving destroying your privacy. Compare to GDR. You were always watched, period. The same's true now, but its partly voluntarily. Is it desirable? You should decide on that on a case-by-case scenario. Schneier wrote several essays on this matter (here's one [1] and a more recent one [2]) and his latest book, Data and Goliath also covers this subject.

Interestingly the more we centralise on our smartphones, the more difficult voluntarily leaving it home becomes. We already put all kind of NFC cards like our bank and public transport on our phones these days. What's next, unlocking the car via NFC?

[1] https://www.schneier.com/essays/archives/2006/05/the_eternal...

[2] https://www.schneier.com/essays/archives/2016/03/data_is_a_t...

Re:Apple health data used in murder trial by baud147258 on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @10:10AM (#16158676)
My brother is building appartement buildings. In some they are using NFC card as access key for the appartements. So you might one day enter your home with your phone (without adding IoT or something, out of the box).
Re:Apple health data used in murder trial by QAPereo on Monday January 15, 2018 @03:55PM (#16153363)
I’m not arguing against privacy, or for this kind of abusive tech used in the system. I’m just saying that this particular story doesn’t make for a great exemplar, anymore than the guy who was nailed because of his smart water meter. There are plenty of examples of surveillance abuse and slapdash prosecution without having to rely on this.
Re:Apple health data used in murder trial by baud147258 on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @10:11AM (#16158686)
Or establish a pattern of leaving your phone (on) at home a few times per week, so when you're doing your murder without your phone, it does not look out of place. You'll just have to provide an alibi on what you were doing and why you didn't take your phone.
Re:Apple health data used in murder trial by SiempreViernes on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @10:55AM (#16159057)
Or just solve your problem by non murderous means, since you have the leisure to plan for it several months in advance?
Re:Apple health data used in murder trial by baud147258 on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @11:19AM (#16159268)
So hire a killer with bitcoins you mined & mixed months earlier? /jk
Re:Apple health data used in murder trial by mattmanser on Monday January 15, 2018 @05:07PM (#16153862)
Dropped it in the toilet?
Re:Apple health data used in murder trial by digi_owl on Monday January 15, 2018 @05:54PM (#16154179)
Could have sworn that phone radios have a unique identifier independent of the customer id (stored in a sim or the phone depending on the network tech).
Re:Apple health data used in murder trial by jsjohnst on Monday January 15, 2018 @10:38PM (#16155615)
> Could have sworn that phone radios have a unique identifier independent of the customer id

Of course they do, multiple ids in fact (IMEI/ICCID/MEID). Not sure how that’s relevant in this thread though.