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Re:Poverty-Fighting Startups by throwaway1202 on Sunday January 14, 2018 @02:12AM (#16143192)
I believe America had it's own similar human liquidation program leading up to industrialization as well.
Re:Poverty-Fighting Startups by gumby on Sunday January 14, 2018 @02:21AM (#16143211)
I presume you're referring to the ab original inhabitants? Sadly, quite effective.
Re:Poverty-Fighting Startups by ptaipale on Sunday January 14, 2018 @04:16AM (#16143441)
That was pre-industrialization, though, and mostly due to things like smallpox for which indigenous population had no resistance, even before actual immigration from Europe.
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Re:Poverty-Fighting Startups by megaman22 on Sunday January 14, 2018 @10:44AM (#16144693)
90% of the pre-Columbian population was already wiped out long before Jeffery Amhurst may or may not have tried doing that. Regurgitating trite myths and legends is not particularly helpful in increasing knowledge.
Re:Poverty-Fighting Startups by BatFastard on Sunday January 14, 2018 @02:23PM (#16145761)
Re:Poverty-Fighting Startups by baursak on Sunday January 14, 2018 @12:00PM (#16145001)
Citation needed. The estimate of pre-Columbian population itself is highly debated, I fail to see how you can so confidently state a number that must be derived from that estimate.
Re:Poverty-Fighting Startups by ptaipale on Sunday January 14, 2018 @01:42PM (#16145538)
In any case - whether the pre-Columbian population in North America was 2 M or 20 M - the proportion of indigenous population killed by "America", (meaning United States of America) is certainly at most a few percent. Most of indigenous peoples of America lived in Central and South America, and most of the perished cultures of North America (e.g. Mississippian mound cultures) were gone long before founding of United States, and before major English immigration.
Re:Poverty-Fighting Startups by robotbikes on Sunday January 14, 2018 @01:57PM (#16145628)
The cultures weren't gone. There were still mound building cultures active in the South when Spaniards arrived. Disease most likely played a large factor but to a certain extent it is a mystery. The American policies ensured that there cultures were nearly wiped from the planet. There was no chance for a rebound of population because of the constant disruption due to displacement and forced migration. This is without the warfare which wasn't the primary source of devastation although it was quite brutal at times. There were a large number of promises of land that were never honored. Look at the Wyandotte's removal from Ohio, they were promised 175,000 acres of land in the West but received nothing of the sort once they gave up their last remaining homestead. They had to find a spot to stay with a fellow tribe. This is all documented and the removal of the American Indian was and remains a real injustice and the impacts are still being felt.
Re:Poverty-Fighting Startups by BurningFrog on Sunday January 14, 2018 @01:31PM (#16145476)
It's a well established fact that 80-90% of the pre-Columbian population died from European infectious diseases, often before seeing a single European, since the diseases travelled faster than the people.

This was centuries before the germ theory of disease became mainstream in the late 1800s, and no one on either side had a clear understanding of what was going on.

Divine intervention was probably the most common theory.

Re:Poverty-Fighting Startups by baursak on Sunday January 14, 2018 @02:20PM (#16145748)
Like I said, citation needed. There are still countries in the Americas with either majority or very significant indigenous populations. Were they immune somehow?
Re:Poverty-Fighting Startups by ptaipale on Sunday January 14, 2018 @02:36PM (#16145847)
No, they had a much larger population to begin with. Life was very hard in North America before arrival of European technology and crops, and populations were small.
Re:Poverty-Fighting Startups by BurningFrog on Sunday January 14, 2018 @02:49PM (#16145948)
These are basic historical facts you can easily look up yourself.

The 90% dieouts happened several centuries ago. That's plenty of time to repopulate.

Re:Poverty-Fighting Startups by dudzik on Sunday January 14, 2018 @07:37AM (#16144010)
I fail to see what the ugly part of the American past has to do with the current thread. Your comment feels a lot like Whataboutism[0] to me.

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Re:Poverty-Fighting Startups by dudzik on Sunday January 14, 2018 @11:00AM (#16144765)
Can someone explain to me the downvotes?

I can only derive from them that someone thinks that what I wrote is wrong. Maybe I am missing something and I just do not know.

Re:Poverty-Fighting Startups by gumby on Sunday January 14, 2018 @03:49PM (#16146325)
It appears a number of people use downvote to mean "I disagree". I suppose they think HN is Facebook.

Also of course some people use it correctly, which confounds the data.

Re:Poverty-Fighting Startups by vixen99 on Sunday January 14, 2018 @03:00AM (#16143278)
its own