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Re:Show HN: Bato – A Filipino Programming Language by tjwii on Friday January 12, 2018 @12:48PM (#16134733)
There are already way too many languages on this planet being kept alive by all those pathetic governments limiting their citizens to their own (little) country. English should already long be the World's 1st language for every human being IMAO. I'm Dutch and it took me ages of struggling to get to my current level of English and I'm still learning..

So, this feels like a huge step back and a great way for Filipino developers and companies to completely limit and restrict their selves.

It's a fun coding experiment, but my negative response is because you shouldn't want something like this to become popular.

Re:Show HN: Bato – A Filipino Programming Language by FredrikMeyer on Friday January 12, 2018 @01:06PM (#16134882)
I agree that the would already should have had a lingua franca, but I must say that it English is far from the best candidate. The language is huge, and the grammar is full of irregularities. Pronunciation must be learnt case by case (why are "women" pronounced "wee-men"?).

(also recall this cute poem: http://www.ling.upenn.edu/~beatrice/humor/english-lesson.htm... )

Re:Show HN: Bato – A Filipino Programming Language by skrebbel on Friday January 12, 2018 @02:35PM (#16135603)
> English is far from the best candidate.

It's also the only candidate. English is the most commonly learned foreign language by far[1], and I don't foresee any major economic movement to change that.

English has a momentum no other language have ever had. There is no language that has a larger body of knowledge online than English. Virtually all cross-border hobbyist communities, expert platforms, etc (eg Stack Overflow) are in English. People all over the world use English to communicate, even when nobody in the group has English as their native language. I was a member of a European student network called BEST, which had 0 member universities in English-speaking places and still the entire thing was in (bad) English. The entire EU is running on English informally, and I bet formally too a few decades from now (and not because we like the Irish so much). My startup has some customers in the UAE, in India and in Pakistan - their sites main (and sometimes only) language is English. The list goes on and on.

Chinese would've had a chance if they weren't so isolationist. Call me when the first Chinese language TV show gets popular outside China and Taiwan. I bet English language TV shows will be popular in China long before then (if they aren't already - I honestly don't know).

Like it or not, English has won.

[1] There's a bunch of sources, I liked this Duolingo post: http://making.duolingo.com/which-countries-study-which-langu...

Re:Show HN: Bato – A Filipino Programming Language by munificent on Friday January 12, 2018 @01:36PM (#16135138)
This is a common complaint, and one the purist in me is sympathetic to. These days, I have a more nuanced perspective on English.

Yes, English is huge and complex. However, the things we are trying to express are themselves huge and complex. A big language gives us many many colors to paint with. I mean different things when I say I am "sad", "down", "blue", "disconsolate", or "woebegone". There is a learning burden on English speakers to loading such a large language in their heads, of course. But, in return, we get a higher-bandwidth communication protocol.

The complaints about pronunciation are also common and valid in many cases. Things like the Great Vowel Shift lead to words that no longer sound like they are written for little useful reason. But in some cases, pronunication varies between similar-spelled words because their etymology is wildly different.

A word's spelling carries both pronunciation and meaning. When the pronunciation varies, it is often because the underlying morphemes are different even though they are spelled the same. This means the spelling doesn't teach you to pronounce it as well as you like, but once you can pronounce it, the pronunciation helps you know what it means.

And, as a lingua franca for the world, I think English is great. English is riddled with loanwords and is constantly assimilating terms from other languages that can't already be expressed well. In many senses, it's a global language because it is the set union of them.

Re:Show HN: Bato – A Filipino Programming Language by taserian on Friday January 12, 2018 @04:21PM (#16136407)
One of my favorite quotes from James Nicoll:

"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."

Re:Show HN: Bato – A Filipino Programming Language by stctgion on Friday January 12, 2018 @01:22PM (#16135018)
It's not pronounced wee-men. It's a shorter sound than that, but I guess I'm proving your point!
Re:Show HN: Bato – A Filipino Programming Language by oh-kumudo on Friday January 12, 2018 @04:17PM (#16136381)
English is THE candidate. Lingua franca is not decided by merits, but by adoption rate, which makes English is only choice on the table. It is the British empire+US hegemony, since WWII/Cold War that makes English lingua franca as it is today.
Re:Show HN: Bato – A Filipino Programming Language by LV-426 on Friday January 12, 2018 @08:09PM (#16137664)
> It is the British empire+US hegemony, since WWII/Cold War that makes English lingua franca as it is today.

To be fair, it's also centuries of important contributions from English-speaking countries in science, technology, industry, aviation, literature, etc, etc, as well as, since WWII at least, music, TV, film and other forms of popular entertainment.

Re:Show HN: Bato – A Filipino Programming Language by nine_k on Friday January 12, 2018 @01:37PM (#16135150)
By the number of speakers, some form of Chinese would probably win hands down. In any case, Hindi and Spanish (the latter with arguably much more regular grammar and spelling) would still take over English.
Re:Show HN: Bato – A Filipino Programming Language by michaelterryio on Friday January 12, 2018 @02:26PM (#16135532)
There's more to what makes a great language than regular grammar and spelling but, that aside, English is already gradually being adopted as the world language. The OP is complaining about parochialism slowing the spread. Whether you agree English is best or not, you might still agree that worse-is-better move to some common language improves things overall