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Re:Mothers who regret having children are speaking out by dominotw on Friday January 12, 2018 @09:59AM (#16133298)
I live an puerto rican neighboorhood in chicago. People live here in combined family structure with many generations living in the same building. I've become acquaintances with many of them and i've noticed that parenthood is much less of a burden for them since they have extended family to support them. Not just a matter of practical convenience but the immense moral and pshyclogical support you get from living next to your parents, cousins is immeasurable. I always see kids playing outside and everyone keeps an eye on them, you are not dealing with your kids 24x7 nonstop.

I am convinced that if you are going to reproduce this is the way to do it. Even though I make significantly more money than them I am jealous of their lifestyle :D . These parents take vacations without their kids, which I know many of valley friends think is impossible.

Re:Mothers who regret having children are speaking out by brightball on Friday January 12, 2018 @10:05AM (#16133358)
This is honestly one of the biggest factors that we did not fully appreciate.

Moving away from home and having kids away from your family is a much bigger task than having kids in your hometown where all of your family lives. I get that it's normal mode of operation for a lot of people to move all over the country for jobs, but IMO that is where the biggest struggle comes from.

You take for granted being able to call a grandparent to pick the kids up from school if you're working late, to come over for a bit when you need to do something during an evening, to drop the kids off if you need to run an errand or even keep them overnight if you have to go out of town for work. That's before even figuring in extra-curricular activities and trying to get each child where they need to be.

My in-laws moved closer to us last year and it has been life changing for my wife and I who both work.

Re:Mothers who regret having children are speaking out by eumenides1 on Friday January 12, 2018 @10:17AM (#16133479)
I have extended family helping me. I'm beyond grateful for it. I'd die without them. But there is a something you don't see. There is a lot of inter-family politics going on. For some people, it's no big deal. For others, it is a real drag. Personally, I'm a no big deal person, but i empathize with people who don't like it. To some Americans, it's like a never ending thanksgiving dinner.

The prime example would be how you raise your kids. Alone, you the most influence, in a family, you have a little less. For some that is OK, for others it's red flags.

Just wanted to open your eyes to what you may not be seeing.

Re:Mothers who regret having children are speaking out by mixmastamyk on Friday January 12, 2018 @12:09PM (#16134383)
This comment reminds me of the “big fat greek wedding.” Is that accurate?
Re:Mothers who regret having children are speaking out by jackbravo on Friday January 12, 2018 @01:35PM (#16135125)
It is, that's why it was so popular, many people could relate.
Re:Mothers who regret having children are speaking out by scottishfiction on Friday January 12, 2018 @10:24AM (#16133536)
This is a major factor. I have a 2-year old girl with another baby imminent. I have 6 households of my family all within a 20 minute drive. Like you say, aside from the practical benefits and savings on childcare, clothing etc., the psychological benefit of knowing we have that support is immeasurable.

Given the impending arrival of my second child, I find myself wondering about those with less support. What does a pregnant single mother of one do when she goes in to labor? Where does her child go? In to state care??

I have great respect for parents with less support than I have.

Re:Mothers who regret having children are speaking out by spookthesunset on Friday January 12, 2018 @01:28PM (#16135069)
> What does a pregnant single mother of one do when she goes in to labor? Where does her child go? In to state care??

Crazy to think, isn't it? It is hard enough during those first few years for a couple with a stay-at-home parent. I can only imagine how hard it is for a single parent who has to not only pay the bills, but take care of somebody who needs an adult 24/7.

I don't think people can begin to fully appreciate this stuff until after they have kids.

Re:Mothers who regret having children are speaking out by m_fayer on Friday January 12, 2018 @10:18AM (#16133482)
I was raised like this (of Russian background) but I will not have the same benefit, there is no extended family from either side anywhere near me or my partner. And this applies to most of my social circle, all of whom have moved around for career and/or restlessness.

It's nice to finally understand that yes, for a couple (especially where both have careers), raising a child is harder than it should be and harder than it used to be, because of this lack of tribe, and no we are not just self-pitying moaners. I don't think this trend is going to reverse itself, which makes me hope in some vague way that some sort of communal tradition emerges, where the tribe is formed by some social grouping (close friends) other than the extended family.

Re:Mothers who regret having children are speaking out by b_t_s on Friday January 12, 2018 @02:24PM (#16135518)
Dear god yes. We have no family nearby and even with my wife as a stay at home mom, it's brutal. We're super jealous of her sister who lives with the grandparents and can just leave the kids at home whenever or wake up at 10 or 11 on a weekend because they just go downstairs and hang out with the grandparents when they wake up. Every time we visit my parents we get a taste of that and it's absolutely glorious. We're at the point where we're considering a move and probably a major pay cut just to be within reasonable driving distance of them.
Re:Mothers who regret having children are speaking out by beepboopbeep on Friday January 12, 2018 @10:36AM (#16133642)
I was just thinking about this the other day. Large familial units have pretty much been the modus operandi of humanity since the beginning. It's not just adults taking care of kids, the kids take care of the kids also. Each generation has their own sense of responsibility for the generation before them because that's the established culture. After a couple generations, the responsibility loses its feeling of work and simply becomes an expected aspect of life.
Re:Mothers who regret having children are speaking out by mmsimanga on Friday January 12, 2018 @03:13PM (#16135925)
You have hit the nail on the head! African villages are pretty much the same. Kids play in age groups and whichever adult is around looks after the kids. This gives parents time to hang with other adults and the opportunity to actually miss their kids. In the city it is different spending 24 hours with a 5 year old can be taxing.
Re:Mothers who regret having children are speaking out by ecpottinger on Friday January 12, 2018 @10:33AM (#16133619)
I wonder if it is also the experience the kid get raising their younger siblings. As the oldest boy in my family when my parents were away I was taking care of my baby brothers and got to see the terrors they would get themselves into.
Re:Mothers who regret having children are speaking out by throwaway2016a on Friday January 12, 2018 @10:01AM (#16133320)
> I am convinced that if you are going to reproduce this is the way to do it.

I think that sounds awesome. Realistically not everyone has those choices though, and unfortunately I don't see that changing any time soon.

My family for example, is spread out across 5 states. My nearest relative is 150 miles.

Re:Mothers who regret having children are speaking out by celim307 on Friday January 12, 2018 @12:37PM (#16134640)
Humbolt Park?