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Re:Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality by zer00eyz on Thursday January 11, 2018 @01:18AM (#16121782)
Thanks for your candor:

Since were in the realm of hypothetical, I would like to ask you a question.

If we manage to identify homosexuality as a genetic disorder, and we determined that there was a 99.999% chance that your children would be homosexual, what would you do?

Re:Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality by oldandtired on Thursday January 11, 2018 @02:04AM (#16121973)
Let me have a go at answering as disciple of Jesus Christ and a father and grandfather. Irrespective of any "genetic disorder", I would bring those children up as followers of Jesus Christ, teaching them to be Holy as He is Holy. Part of this holiness is to keep oneself pure, avoiding sexual misconduct of every kind. So irrespective of any same/opposite sex attraction, the way of life is the same. Whether they end up choosing to follow that path is, however, their choice and their responsibility.
Re:Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality by ZirconiumX on Thursday January 11, 2018 @02:24AM (#16122054)
>the way of life is the same

Would you mind elaborating more on this? It's hard to tell if you mean "avoiding sexual misconduct" as "don't rape, don't have sex outside of marriage" etc, or as "gay men must live as if they were straight". From a Buddhist perspective, the first choice seems reasonable, if a little restricting, since it's a rephrasing of the Third Moral Precept, but the second seems far too imposing on somebody else.

Re:Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality by hackeraccount on Thursday January 11, 2018 @12:15PM (#16125604)
It's not a popular analogy but (for me) it's similar (though clearly not the same) to saying the same thing for alcoholism. I'd still have kids but I'd make sure they were aware of the facts - and the main thing I'd let them know is that they did have control over how the acted if not - according to the scenario - how they felt.

A related question would be - would you have kids if under the same scenario conditions - there was a 100% chance they'd drop dead at age 10? Or 5? That potential child has a chance at life and everything wonderful and terrible it entails but not in any way that you conceive it. You'd think it horrible but maybe they'd feel grateful for the chance. Maybe they'll be the first 10 year old to cure cancer.

It's not the same thing but for it gets at the spirit of it. I mean, my child will have different problems then me. Heck, they might not even view things that I see as problems as problems. It's still my responsibility to raise them to live the best life possible as I see it and then to give them the chance to do that.

Re:Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality by WillReplyfFood on Thursday January 11, 2018 @02:09AM (#16121984)
We already know its a vital disorder for society. Near all larger contract-institutions of the past where run by "conscripted" closet cases.

So without that- no contracts, no law, no real society - this is why people instinctivly yell for better morals when corruption is detected. Pressure on the outliers creates more contract-caste-conscripts. Problem solved.

Re:Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality by fithisux on Thursday January 11, 2018 @02:57AM (#16122155)
Since it is not fatal or cause general disability........... nothing.
Re:Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality by quantumofmalice on Thursday January 11, 2018 @01:25AM (#16121806)
That would be a tough situation, I'm not sure. My first thought is that the moral choice for me would be to accept celibacy and try to do the best I can for others in that role.
Re:Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality by debatem1 on Thursday January 11, 2018 @01:37AM (#16121855)
Out of curiosity, why not select life? Everybody sins-- why not accept that maybe this sin is more likely and love the children that might be born to you?
Re:Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality by quantumofmalice on Thursday January 11, 2018 @01:46AM (#16121890)
That's a reasonable perspective. I would have to ask my children to remain celibate, though, and would it be fair to put that burden on them, even (maybe especially) if they didn't accept it?

It seems more fair to me if I bear the burden of my moral framework, given the proposed determinism.

Re:Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality by azinman2 on Thursday January 11, 2018 @01:57AM (#16121941)
Why do you have to go to sin? What’s sinful about being born any which way?
Re:Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality by jschwartzi on Thursday January 11, 2018 @02:03AM (#16121968)
Because the people who would want to get rid of their homosexual children want to do so because they consider it a sin.
Re:Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality by bobthechef on Thursday January 11, 2018 @06:14AM (#16122924)
This is a common confusion. If homosexual attraction were found to have a genetic cause, it would be understood as a genetic or genetically-caused disorder. That in itself would not be a sin because sin only applies to voluntary actions and not conditions. So from this POV, someone with genetically caused homosexual attraction would not be sinning if he refrained from engaging in homosexual acts.
Re:Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality by debatem1 on Thursday January 11, 2018 @12:43PM (#16125879)
Even without genetic predisposition this is the Catholic stance-- that being gay isn't a sin, but having gay sex is.

Of course, this is sophistry; ask about whether two celibate gay men would be allowed a Catholic wedding and the answer will be no because they can't have children, nature of marriage, yadda yadda. Ask whether a man or woman without intact junk can get married and suddenly it's love that is really important.

Re:Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality by debatem1 on Thursday January 11, 2018 @02:32AM (#16122077)
If you consider homosexuality a sin (worth saying: I don't) and determinism is at play, the risk is that you go full Zvingli. That would be very unusual today, so it seems worth asking about.
Re:Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality by mfukar on Thursday January 11, 2018 @05:20AM (#16122705)
What is the connection you've made between homosexuality, abortion, and celibacy? I fail to see it.
Re:Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality by yipopov on Thursday January 11, 2018 @05:28AM (#16122739)
Celibacy means you won't have any children. Same reason why a carrier of the Huntington's disease gene may choose celibacy instead of reproducing.
Re:Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality by bobthechef on Thursday January 11, 2018 @06:10AM (#16122910)
Celibacy means sexual abstinence, not not having children. The latter is implied by the former, of course.
Re:Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality by mfukar on Thursday January 11, 2018 @06:24AM (#16122951)
Not really, we're past requiring intercourse for reproduction.
Re:Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality by yipopov on Thursday January 11, 2018 @03:57PM (#16127780)
Yes, but in the context of upholding traditional Christian moral standards that's not an option that's on the table, and neither is using contraception. Celibacy, or to be more precise, abstinence, is the only option.
Re:Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality by mfukar on Friday January 12, 2018 @03:05AM (#16131260)
You're talking about a very specific "Christian" society, which, you should bear in mind, has very few things in common with other Christian societies, like the orthodox for instance.
Re:Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality by yipopov on Monday January 15, 2018 @08:09AM (#16150232)
I know the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox do in fact practice things like abortion and contraception, but they are still highly controversial subjects and far from universally accepted in the hierarchy.

I still think it's a pretty fair generalisation of traditional Christianity and the vast majority of Christians (liberal western Protestants are a minority on the global scale, and even they don't universally accept abortion and contraception, take for instance Pastor Anderson)

Re:Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality by mfukar on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @05:55AM (#16157260)
Then perhaps I'm biased. Where I was raised (eastern orthodox), preaching in favour of contraception and abortion as divine mandate was/is seen as crazy. I certainly don't have numbers to compare.