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Re:The Fight for Patent-Unencumbered Media Codecs Is Nearly Won by notyourday on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @09:54AM (#16115276)
There may be a few hundred thousand of developers that do but there are hundreds of millions of users that just want their stuff to work.

Profit is in the users, not in the developers

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Re:The Fight for Patent-Unencumbered Media Codecs Is Nearly Won by clouddrover on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @10:05AM (#16115366)
But you've got to produce before you can consume and you've got to deliver to the consumer. AV1's licensing reduces costs and AV1's lower bitrate delivers better picture quality earlier with less bandwidth.

The choice isn't AV1 or users. It's AV1 and users.

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Re:The Fight for Patent-Unencumbered Media Codecs Is Nearly Won by notyourday on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @06:04PM (#16119974)
Products already exists. That's what users consume. That's also why users don't care about technological developments unless those technological developments improve user's experience, not make it more difficult for the users.
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Re:The Fight for Patent-Unencumbered Media Codecs Is Nearly Won by scarface74 on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @10:28AM (#16115577)
How does it "reduce costs" if you still have to support both?

And I can't find how much licensing actual costs for H.264.

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Re:The Fight for Patent-Unencumbered Media Codecs Is Nearly Won by scarface74 on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @10:57AM (#16115850)
If there is a demand, content will come, I doubt the difference in cost made by the licensing fees are going to mske a difference.
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Re:The Fight for Patent-Unencumbered Media Codecs Is Nearly Won by scarface74 on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @03:43PM (#16118882)
No, but potential for bandwidth caps with fees for going in light of the removal of network neutrality legislation might tip the balance in the favor of the codec that looks better at a lower bitrate.

What does that have to do with patents and why people should care?

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Re:The Fight for Patent-Unencumbered Media Codecs Is Nearly Won by cuckcuckspruce on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @03:33PM (#16118790)
No, but potential for bandwidth caps with fees for going in light of the removal of network neutrality legislation might tip the balance in the favor of the codec that looks better at a lower bitrate.
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Re:The Fight for Patent-Unencumbered Media Codecs Is Nearly Won by wtetzner on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @12:37PM (#16117003)
I think the problem is that it limits competition. The established companies with deep pockets have an advantage if royalties have to be paid.

This is bad for users, whether they realize it or not. They end up with fewer (and potentially worse) options.

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Re:The Fight for Patent-Unencumbered Media Codecs Is Nearly Won by scarface74 on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @04:14PM (#16119133)
The cost for a creating, hosting and streaming video is huge. If a new entrant has the funding to create and host compelling video, I doubt that the minuscule cost of royalties will make or break them.
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