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Re:Microsoft says security fixes will noticeably slow older PCs by Scaevolus on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @09:04PM (#16112026)
An instruction added as a curiosity / micro-optimization back in 2010 is now very important.

Previously: "PCID is now a critical performance/security feature on x86" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16094349

Re:Microsoft says security fixes will noticeably slow older PCs by chrishynes on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @08:47PM (#16111956)
Interesting that it's more substantial on older CPU's. The cynic in me wonders if that's a way to force an upgrade from CPU's that normally would be fine for most typical office use.
Re:Microsoft says security fixes will noticeably slow older PCs by Someone1234 on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @09:35PM (#16112141)
This has absolutely destroyed Intel's reputation and handed a massive PR win to their competitors (including AMD). Hard to imagine any normal company cutting out their own feet so willingly, this will cost Intel a lot more than it will make them in short term revenue.
Re:Microsoft says security fixes will noticeably slow older PCs by throwawayfinal on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @09:54PM (#16112227)
I'm not sure how they could have come out of this cleanly other than waving a wand and not having it happen? They pretty clearly owned up.
Re:Microsoft says security fixes will noticeably slow older PCs by lovich on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @12:02AM (#16112679)
They sat on it for over quarter and gave no indication that any sort of trouble was coming up. The CEO even sold stock and made a profit after being made aware of the issue, but before having the issue be announced publicly. I would not classify that as clearly owning up
Re:Microsoft says security fixes will noticeably slow older PCs by thisacctforreal on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @10:19PM (#16112335)
Did we see the same PR announcement?

It was misleading in multiple ways.

Re:Microsoft says security fixes will noticeably slow older PCs by QAPereo on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @10:59PM (#16112452)
Really? I thought they were still denying that this is a flaw, and not, “working as intended.”
Re:Microsoft says security fixes will noticeably slow older PCs by WillReplyfFood on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @02:45AM (#16113187)
Do what i do, when my android phone constantly flashes a light & sound notification after finnishing loading the battery- call your software representetive.

It really helps against insomnia, if you wake some poor android developer halft the world away in the middle of the night to suffer with you - for his implementation of planned obsolence.

Two souls united in burning hatred.

Re:Microsoft says security fixes will noticeably slow older PCs by user5994461 on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @01:31AM (#16112946)
>>> If you're using a 4th-generation Core or older CPU, however, you'll see "more significant slowdowns,"

With server CPUs always being a few generations behind the desktop, this is gonna have massive impact on datacenters.

Re:Microsoft says security fixes will noticeably slow older PCs by dragontamer on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @10:38AM (#16115675)
Heh. Have you seen the Phoronix benchmarks?

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=KPTI-Ret...

E3-1280 v5 goes from 32278.00 Apache requests per second to 25399.47 Requests per second. In other words, a Skylake Xeon performs like an Fx Bulldozer after the patch. And Skylake has the PCID instruction too.

Although to be fair, static-file hosting is about as I/O bound as it gets, and these patches affect file I/O the most.

Re:Microsoft says security fixes will noticeably slow older PCs by lostmsu on Thursday January 11, 2018 @05:30PM (#16128677)
Compile time slowdown looks pretty sad too. -21% is quite bad.
Re:Microsoft says security fixes will noticeably slow older PCs by TheSleeprAwakns on Thursday January 11, 2018 @11:46PM (#16130464)
Is there any idea when this will be fixed in hardware?