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Re:Meltdown Proof-of-Concept by arkadiyt on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @05:37PM (#16110820)
> Makes you wonder if the NSA knew about it all along :)

Former head of TAO Rob Joyce said "NSA did not know about the flaw, has not exploited it and certainly the U.S. government would never put a major company like Intel in a position of risk like this to try to hold open a vulnerability." [1]

Who knows if that's true or not, though. Certainly the U.S. government has done exactly that many times in the past (like with heartbleed).

[1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/huge-secu...

Re:Meltdown Proof-of-Concept by SheinhardtWigCo on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @06:08PM (#16111032)
It's odd to publicly state that they didn't know about it, because now if they don't do the same after the next big flaw comes out, the implication will be that they indeed knew and were quietly exploiting it. I thought that was why they generally don't comment on these things. The less-charitable assumption is that they'll make this claim every time regardless of whether it's true.

The claim that "the U.S. government would never put a major company like Intel in a position of risk" is obviously bullshit. TAO's job necessarily involves exposing companies both in the US and overseas to that kind of risk on a daily basis.

Re:Meltdown Proof-of-Concept by arrestedDevelpr on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @01:28AM (#16112940)
Implications? Who cares what the peanut gallery thinks?
Re:Meltdown Proof-of-Concept by dirtbox on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @07:15PM (#16111453)
It's the type of announcement that makes me wonder if they had the chip makers incorporate it specifically for them to exploit.
Re:Meltdown Proof-of-Concept by mehrdadn on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @07:56PM (#16111680)
> It's the type of announcement that makes me wonder if they had the chip makers incorporate it specifically for them to exploit.

...sorry, what?

It makes you wonder if the NSA had chip makers incorporate speculative execution and caching because... timing attacks?

Re:Meltdown Proof-of-Concept by dirtbox on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @11:45AM (#16116457)
No.

It's just that it's highly suspicious that anyone is making any type of mention of it at all.

Re:Meltdown Proof-of-Concept by rdtsc on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @11:36PM (#16112587)
That is an odd one. Why say that instead of of the usual, "we can't comment on that".

> U.S. government would never put a major company like Intel in a position of risk like this to try to hold open a vulnerability." [1]

They subverted the Dual_EC_DRBG standardization process. Had they not been caught and the algorithm ended up on more devices they would be hurting not just major companies but whole industries.

Also for reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullrun_(decryption_program)

Re:Meltdown Proof-of-Concept by mpweiher on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @05:03AM (#16113770)
<tinfoil>

Note that it talks about "the flaw", whereas Intel claims it isn't a "flaw". So could be another instance of overly specific denial. "We didn't exploit this flaw, because it isn't a flaw. We exploited the processor operating as designed".

</tinfoil>

Re:Meltdown Proof-of-Concept by arkh on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @04:55AM (#16113736)
> the U.S. government would never put a major company like Intel in a position of risk like this to try to hold open a vulnerability

The US government sure. The NSA? They sure would as this statement shows.

Re:Meltdown Proof-of-Concept by amdavidson on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @09:06AM (#16114945)
Are you arguing that the NSA does not fall under the umbrella of the "US Government"?