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Re:James Dolan, co-creator of SecureDrop, has died by captain_crabs on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @04:01PM (#16110017)
Here's the line of reasoning I use that keeps me in the game. Sorry if this is way off the deep end! :)

"The impediment to action advances action. The obstacle is the way." - Marcus Aurelius

In the face of overwhelming despair, there's always a choice you can take that is hope. Right action is training yourself to habitually choose that, and continue with it, regardless of the circumstances.

Those deepest moments of self-doubt, those are when you're able to have thoughts from that context that you couldn't when you're all happy and stuff. Those moments themselves are intrinsically valuable to be present in, and pay attention to. And by inducing them in yourself and choosing to behave properly against them, you can train yourself before the big moment comes.

I feel like this might be crazy and overly intense, but I can't really conceive of any other aspirational way of existing, so I hope its somewhat helpful!

Re:James Dolan, co-creator of SecureDrop, has died by logiclion on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @04:13PM (#16110135)
I like to think of it as integrating with the shadow, both hands serve the same master
Re:James Dolan, co-creator of SecureDrop, has died by myaso on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @05:33PM (#16110781)
Hope can lead you to a dead end if you're on the wrong path to begin with.
Re:James Dolan, co-creator of SecureDrop, has died by chrisper on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @04:39PM (#16110372)
I think the worst part of any depressive phase is that it makes you feel you are the only one deep down this hole. Everyone around you has a perfect life. Every stranger on the bus seems to be happy.

But the truth is you are not looking hard enough. There is more depression (medical or not) than we think and like to admit. Most likely all the people around you have a reason to be depressed one way or the other. You are not the only one who fell into a hole. Some people have financial trouble, others have sick parents. Look hard enough and you will see you are not the only one.

But you might still think that all these people look happy! You need to remember that you only see another person but you can't feel their feelings and read their thoughts. If you met yourself would you really be able to tell that you are depressed? I doubt it. We learned to cover it up.

So my tip to you and everyone is to understand that being in a hole is ok and you are not as alone as you might think.

Re:James Dolan, co-creator of SecureDrop, has died by sk5t on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @05:44PM (#16110882)
Two bits from one of John Updike's _Rabbit_ books always come to mind: upon looking through his host's medicine cabinet, Rabbit muses, "people are always a little sicker than you think." And there's a description of looking down on cars from the window of an airplane in flight--how smoothly, from a distance, the cars seem to travel. Almost everyone has troubles that disappear from a distance.
Re:James Dolan, co-creator of SecureDrop, has died by aecorredor on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @03:29PM (#16109720)
Hang in there man. Even for people who don’t know you, you can still do so much good while you live. There’s a lot of people struggling around the world whose lives would be made better with only a tiny drop of your help/knowledge.
Re:James Dolan, co-creator of SecureDrop, has died by agumonkey on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @03:34PM (#16109758)
The decade feels grim, lots of tension, lots of mayhem. I try not to succomb to the surrounding darkness; not easy at times, nostalgia is strong in me, but I also know that this is transient.
Re:James Dolan, co-creator of SecureDrop, has died by faramarz on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @03:57PM (#16109968)
I find talking about it helps. The feelings pass if you allow yourself time to heal, and talking to a coach, a therapist, deep diving with others going through similar stuff helps pass/break through it.

But this life we live and all the struggles are all part of the journey. there's no end-destination free of inner conflict.

It's recognizing that human suffering is universal, and having compassion for yourself. Through awareness of knowing what you're in, when you're triggered, and how - that awareness itself is HUGE. next part is to have compassion for yourself or else you will overwhelm.

Re:James Dolan, co-creator of SecureDrop, has died by haswell on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @04:05PM (#16110058)
Having compassion for yourself is so important, and so hard to do. When my therapist first mentioned this concept to me, it felt so foreign. It hit me like a ton of bricks that even though my personal issues are far from my fault, and there's no possible way I could have been at fault (childhood abuse that I've struggled with my entire life), I was blaming myself for every aspect of my problems.

I'm still struggling, a lot, but realizing that I was my own worst critic was a huge step in starting to deal with my issues.

Re:James Dolan, co-creator of SecureDrop, has died by faramarz on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @04:21PM (#16110219)
For me, I had been stuck in the struggle because I was in my head trying to strive for a place of perfection where my flaws would be fully healed/corrected and never again repeated.

thats an incredibly high standard and pressure to put on ourselves. You're right that we are our own harshest critic.

Have compassion for the human who can still fuck up but fuck up with knowing, because then at least you can see it and be aware of it.. and through time you can correct it.

Self compassion allows you to go through this journey without giving up.

Re:James Dolan, co-creator of SecureDrop, has died by onewhonknocks on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @03:23PM (#16109648)
You would be missed. Stay strong. If you need to talk please reach out to me or anyone.
Re:James Dolan, co-creator of SecureDrop, has died by MattSayar on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @03:43PM (#16109855)
This too shall pass
Re:James Dolan, co-creator of SecureDrop, has died by hestipod on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @05:17PM (#16110675)
I know you mean well but this sort of comment really upsets me because for many of us that means "when we die" as there is no obvious realistic hope.

I have been suffering for 15+ years since medical mistakes took my life and future. I have the whole cocktail of physical and mental pain as a result and every day is hell just surviving. I have lost everything including my means to meet even the basic needs of life independently and have fallen in nearly every crack when it comes to assistance as system after system failed me. I have only survived this long due to a large savings at the time of insult and a partial pension from my job. Friends and family have nearly all abandoned me. Despite my efforts haven't been able to "create" a path either.

This post is timely as I've been working on a draft for an AskHN last ditch post I intend to make soon to see if anyone has a plan or idea I have not already heard of for someone with so many limits to earn and survive. The things most people think are facts about options just don't work that way in reality. We are fighting the same issues everyone else in life is on TOP of the unimaginable physical and mental pain. Many people are left behind and many systems are broken. My life is filled with seemingly insurmountable barriers...my physical condition, access to needs, finances, age...and ending things is a daily consideration. I don't WANT to die but my wants don't pay the bills nor reduce pain. I have one option to live...start over and compete with every healthy person who is also trying to survive. I don't see how I can...

I have never talked to a suicidal person who WANTED to die when you drill down...they just wanted their pain to end (whatever that pain is) and there was no way in this life they could find to do that. For them it did pass...when they did. So that phrase brings me no comfort as intended.

Re:James Dolan, co-creator of SecureDrop, has died by defined on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @01:01AM (#16112865)
I am deeply saddened by your suffering. I cannot imagine what you are going through, and have nothing but empathy and a glimmer of understanding to offer you.

My small insight as a lifelong depressive is that well-meaning people who give advice and encouragement often do so from a position of limited understanding, hopefully because they have never had to endure similar torment.

It can seem inconceivable to them that sometimes people are so destroyed that it is effectively impossible to take their advice, or derive comfort from their words.

I truly hope you find some relief that avoids the need for self-liberation.

Re:James Dolan, co-creator of SecureDrop, has died by DoreenMichele on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @01:40AM (#16112973)
This post is timely as I've been working on a draft for an AskHN last ditch post I intend to make soon to see if anyone has a plan or idea I have not already heard of for someone with so many limits to earn and survive.

You can email me. I have a serious medical condition and have gradually gotten healthier, created a flexible income and paid down debt. I may be able to point you in the right direction.

Re:James Dolan, co-creator of SecureDrop, has died by free_throw on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @03:44PM (#16109864)
Thanks for the succinct summary. I feel much the same.

The role model I think about the most is David Foster Wallace. from all viewpoints but his own, a hugely successful author, journalist, and professor. Always precocious, He stuck his head through a window and got a view of marketing/consumption/entertainment/addiction/education/the direction of life in modern America that he just couldn't come back from.

He committed suicide 10 years into writing "The Pale King", a book on the IRS/tax system that explores in his words "the deeper type of pain that is always there, if only in an ambient low-level way, and which most of us spend nearly all of our time and energy trying to distract ourselves from".

Keep fighting the good fight - you never know who might end up reading or hearing your words, what new ideas might come into existence from another meeting your mind, or what tomorrow might bring.

Re:James Dolan, co-creator of SecureDrop, has died by hkmurakami on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @05:35PM (#16110801)
What cost, personal or public, is worth fighting the good fight for? This seems to happen far too often: our best minds and best hearts pushing themselves to the brink in their fighting the good fight.