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Re:PCID is now a critical performance/security feature on x86 by jimktrains2 on Monday January 08, 2018 @06:31AM (#16096068)
I hate that you can't even view Google groups without an account. It also requires us to do nothing but show text. To me groups and blogger has always represented what a terrible web application is.
Re:PCID is now a critical performance/security feature on x86 by neonate on Monday January 08, 2018 @02:15PM (#16099209)
Hey! this works: http://archive.is/ma8Iw. I didn't expect it to.
Re:PCID is now a critical performance/security feature on x86 by dang on Monday January 08, 2018 @02:16PM (#16099234)
Let's try changing the URL to that from https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/mechanical-sympath....

I don't like obscuring the original domain but agree that Google Groups URLs posted to HN have consistently been annoying.

Re:PCID is now a critical performance/security feature on x86 by makomk on Monday January 08, 2018 @06:43PM (#16102053)
I think archive.is do a lot of magic on the backend so that stuff like this just works for users.
Re:PCID is now a critical performance/security feature on x86 by dingo_bat on Monday January 08, 2018 @01:00PM (#16098482)
Blogger doesn't even load if you have js disabled.
Re:PCID is now a critical performance/security feature on x86 by igravious on Monday January 08, 2018 @04:11PM (#16100635)
God I hate Google Groups. I actually need some info from some of those groups and because of account b0rkage and shenanigans it is just too much of a hassle. Weren't they originally Usenet groups or something? Initially they were being decent Web stewards of them (_that_ was a long time ago) but then they got subsumed into the corp. as all things must. It's as inevitable as night follows day. Utter shame.
Re:PCID is now a critical performance/security feature on x86 by nas on Monday January 08, 2018 @04:18PM (#16100687)
They screwed them up in pretty impressive fashion. Years ago, Google Groups used to be a great interface for searching Usenet archives. Now, it is near useless.

As an example, I wanted to do some research on early language features of Python (e.g. around 1993). The info is in Usenet postings of that time, surely present in Google Groups years ago. Now, I can't find anything useful. A advanced search using dates doesn't return anything. Their user interface is horribly bad compared to what it used to be.

Another example: I did some research on Deep Blue and Deep Thought, after reading Crazy Bird's book. With the old Google Groups, I could follow the discussion of the Deep Blue tournament, in chronological order. There was all sorts of interesting things like computer chess programmers speculating on how Deep Blue worked and people posting analysis of chess positions. All that is now gone or at least not searchable.

So sad that all of this knowledge has apparently disappeared. There was loads of information shared on Usenet and the storage space required to preserve it would be trivial.

Re:PCID is now a critical performance/security feature on x86 by igravious on Monday January 08, 2018 @05:01PM (#16101097)
I thought their mission statement was, "organise the world's information and make it accessible" or something like that. Didn't know there was an asterisk–but not Usenet…
Re:PCID is now a critical performance/security feature on x86 by LinuxBender on Monday January 08, 2018 @08:00PM (#16102530)
Usenet is still very much alive. In fact, many of the spammers have left and now target other more popular resources. The text only groups are accessible for free from multiple servers. It's only the binary groups that you have to pay to get access.
Re:PCID is now a critical performance/security feature on x86 by hinkley on Monday January 08, 2018 @04:24PM (#16100730)
Google bought Deja News and turned it into Groups.
Re:PCID is now a critical performance/security feature on x86 by igravious on Monday January 08, 2018 @05:00PM (#16101085)
That was it, was too lazy to look it up but the Internet Gods have answered.
Re:PCID is now a critical performance/security feature on x86 by dmm on Monday January 08, 2018 @09:06AM (#16096760)
Google only asks you to login if it knows you have an account.
Re:PCID is now a critical performance/security feature on x86 by acdha on Monday January 08, 2018 @02:46PM (#16099642)
The problem is that they completely botched the user experience a decade ago and since it's yet another orphaned product it's never been improved.

How it should work following a “build your first web app” tutorial:

1. User opens page

2. You detect an old login cookie and discretely ask if they want to login

3. If they do so, you see the previous page with more UI (e.g. subscribe, reply, etc.)

How it works now:

1. Users opens page

2. Instead of looking at the content they wanted to see, the user is automatically redirected over to a login page with a mandatory full two-factor check even if you've recently logged in to other Google properties

3. After completing that process, you're dumped on the groups.google.com homepage 4. Since there were a bunch of redirects, you have to know how to use your browser's history to go back 3-4 pages because simply hitting back will just redirect you to the homepage again.

Re:PCID is now a critical performance/security feature on x86 by jimktrains2 on Monday January 08, 2018 @09:20AM (#16096844)
That still feels like a problem to me. Just show it as unauthenticated if I'm not authenticated.
Re:PCID is now a critical performance/security feature on x86 by Analemma_ on Monday January 08, 2018 @01:40PM (#16098756)
That doesn’t make it ok. If anything that’s worse.
Re:PCID is now a critical performance/security feature on x86 by mrguyorama on Monday January 08, 2018 @12:09PM (#16098137)
I find the fact that google feels it's okay to track you like that disturbing
Re:PCID is now a critical performance/security feature on x86 by dingo_bat on Monday January 08, 2018 @01:00PM (#16098485)
Somehow that's even worse.
Re:PCID is now a critical performance/security feature on x86 by aceoflzlz on Monday January 08, 2018 @08:25AM (#16096517)
I don't have an account and I could read that just fine.