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Re:Beijing bets on facial recognition in a big drive for tot... by PostOnce on Monday January 08, 2018 @02:01AM (#16095131)
I can choose to leave my phone, or buy a wifi only device, or take the cell modem out.

I can't choose not to be tracked by computers and cameras I don't own, generally. Therefore, the Chinese system is greatly more nefarious since there is no opt-out.

Re:Beijing bets on facial recognition in a big drive for tot... by YeGoblynQueenne on Monday January 08, 2018 @06:33AM (#16096073)
>> I can choose to leave my phone, or buy a wifi only device, or take the cell modem out.

And you can choose to hide in a hole, or go live on a deserted island. In short, you'd have to seriously inconvenience yourself to avoid being spied on all the time.

The reason such surveillance is a problem is that it gets the majority of the population by placing itself smack in the middle of their everyday activities. If it was easy to avoid it, or if it was targeted at uncommon activities nobody 'd be worried about it.

Re:Beijing bets on facial recognition in a big drive for tot... by lloeki on Monday January 08, 2018 @03:03AM (#16095327)
You can choose to live in remote areas by the countryside where there are no cameras.
Re:Beijing bets on facial recognition in a big drive for tot... by digi_owl on Monday January 08, 2018 @07:47AM (#16096335)
And thus bump yourself way up the list of possible "troublemakers"...
Re:Beijing bets on facial recognition in a big drive for tot... by sangnoir on Monday January 08, 2018 @09:24AM (#16096868)
The very same sort whose phones go offline from time to time (unreachable baseband or no discernible motion for long stretches). What are they hiding? It might be better to put them on a list and cross-reference the dark periods with others with similar questionable behavior. Naturally,it's all done by a computer, and it doesn't count until a human analyst looks at the data so no laws are being currently broken.
Re:Beijing bets on facial recognition in a big drive for tot... by jason_slack on Monday January 08, 2018 @04:56PM (#16101042)
>> I can choose to leave my phone, or buy a wifi only device, or take the cell modem out.

In some countries perhaps. In China, you need your phone for everything. Paying for stuff, getting a taxi, food, etc. Everything tied to a phone.

Re:Beijing bets on facial recognition in a big drive for tot... by iforgotpassword on Monday January 08, 2018 @05:52PM (#16101604)
Optionally, so no. Cash exists, even in China. The surveillance cameras everywhere are much harder to avoid.
Re:Beijing bets on facial recognition in a big drive for tot... by jason_slack on Monday January 08, 2018 @05:59PM (#16101676)
It is not so optional though. Living in China without a phone is very hard to do. Having spent time there just a few months ago many places wouldn't take cash and even did not have enough cash to make change.

The cameras I think are impossible to avoid. I read an article recently where the police found a man within 7 minutes or something using the cctv system.

Re:Beijing bets on facial recognition in a big drive for tot... by d21d3q on Thursday January 11, 2018 @01:10AM (#16121753)
How about wearing Sombrero?
Re:Beijing bets on facial recognition in a big drive for tot... by 123ol12313 on Monday January 08, 2018 @02:16AM (#16095169)
Although, I agree with you in principle. In reality it is a little different. Just because you don't take your phone out doesn't mean other people aren't. Its the same principle as Facebook being able to figure out who your relatives are even though you may not be on Facebook. Its all about data points. With enough data points, it doesn't matter whether you bring out a phone or not.
Re:Beijing bets on facial recognition in a big drive for tot... by dis-sys on Monday January 08, 2018 @03:35AM (#16095443)
1. you can choose to stay in your private home not fitted with those cameras. 2. you can choose to wear a mask when walking on streets, there is no law stopping you doing that, going to a bank or metro station is a different story. 3. you can choose to live in remote areas. 4. as a foreigner, you can choose not to visit China. 5. as a Chinese citizen, one can choose to leave China and live in countries without such "problem".
Re:Beijing bets on facial recognition in a big drive for tot... by zaroth on Monday January 08, 2018 @04:12AM (#16095589)
Yes you can opt-out of anything technically. Both are fairly large sacrifices in the end.
Re:Beijing bets on facial recognition in a big drive for tot... by PostOnce on Monday January 08, 2018 @03:54AM (#16095512)
most Chinese people are too poor to leave. Masks I imagine would be outlawed as soon as they became a common method of subverting the state.

that, and sesame credit, and the great firewall blocking whole wide avenues of thought, the abuses will pile up as high as the mountains