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Re:Border Search of Electronic Devices – CBP Directive [pdf] by ComputerGuru on Saturday January 06, 2018 @12:42PM (#16086413)
Yes, it’s indeed over the top. Here’s a map by the ACLU: https://goo.gl/images/HpPYby
Re:Border Search of Electronic Devices – CBP Directive [pdf] by tptacek on Saturday January 06, 2018 @02:34PM (#16087008)
It is indeed over the top. Almost too much to believe. Oh, wait. It is too much to believe.

This notion that any place within 100 miles of a border is a "4th Amendment Free Zone" is an urban legend. The ACLU should stop spreading it.

The exact issue we're talking about here has been tried all the way through the Supreme Court, which found that the border search exemption only applies to people with some nexus to an actual border crossing.

Re:Border Search of Electronic Devices – CBP Directive [pdf] by dragonwriter on Saturday January 06, 2018 @03:42PM (#16087339)
> The exact issue we're talking about here has been tried all the way through the Supreme Court, which found that the border search exemption only applies to people with some nexus to an actual border crossing.

Wrong. It found that warrantless “border” searches on public highways leading to it away from the Mexican border were legal based on either perceived ethnicity of drivers or passengers or even no individualized basis for suspicion. No nexus between the searched person or vehicle and an actual border crossing beyond being on a road which eventually led to or away from the Mexican border is required.

It's true that the only places that the decision applies to are public highways, not (e.g.) the interior of residences or businesses, so it's not any place. But it's pretty extensive.

Re:Border Search of Electronic Devices – CBP Directive [pdf] by tptacek on Saturday January 06, 2018 @04:00PM (#16087428)
Which case are you referring to?

Also, I can't tell if you're nitpicking my summary or if you actually do believe there's a 100-mile-wide Constitution-free zone hugging the US border.

Re:Border Search of Electronic Devices – CBP Directive [pdf] by dragonwriter on Saturday January 06, 2018 @05:02PM (#16087721)
> Which case are you referring to?

Martinez-Fuerte.

> Also, I can't tell if you're nitpicking my summary or if you actually do believe there's a 100-mile-wide Constitution-free zone hugging the US border.

“100-mile Constitution-free zone” is a simplification that, like any simplification, is somewhat inaccurate; there is a broad (unclear as to it's maximum limits, the 100 miles is current executive policy) in which the courts have allowed, in fairly broad circumstances, substantially lower standards for search and seizure than are otherwise Constitutionally applicable in the US, rendering the protections of the Fourth Amendment in practice much weaker.

Re:Border Search of Electronic Devices – CBP Directive [pdf] by tptacek on Saturday January 06, 2018 @05:41PM (#16087893)
You should re-read it, because it explicitly rebuts the argument you're making. It holds specifically that Almeida-Sanchez stands, and that:

In Almeida-Sanchez v. United States, supra, the question was whether a roving patrol unit constitutionally could search a vehicle for illegal aliens simply because it was in the general vicinity of the border. We recognized that important law enforcement interests were at stake, but held that searches by roving patrols impinged so significantly on Fourth Amendment privacy interests that a search could be conducted without consent only if there was probable cause to believe that a car contained illegal aliens, at least in the absence of a judicial warrant authorizing random searches by roving patrols in a given area. Compare 413 U.S. at 413 U. S. 273, with id. at 413 U. S. 283-285 (POWELL, J., concurring), and id. at 413 U. S. 288 (WHITE, J., dissenting). We held in United States v. Ortiz, supra, that the same limitations applied to vehicle searches conducted at a permanent checkpoint.

It allowed the actions in this case specifically because they were not searches, in the same sense as a traffic stop is not a search, and the police, having pulled your car to the side of a city street for having expired tags, cannot without probable cause demand that you open your trunk to allow inspection.

Re:Border Search of Electronic Devices – CBP Directive [pdf] by tptacek on Sunday January 07, 2018 @12:58PM (#16091782)
You got kind of quiet there. :)
Re:Border Search of Electronic Devices – CBP Directive [pdf] by moonka on Saturday January 06, 2018 @01:30PM (#16086692)
"Roughly two-thirds of the United States' population lives within the 100-mile zone."* That's incredibly disturbing.

* https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone

Re:Border Search of Electronic Devices – CBP Directive [pdf] by mc32 on Saturday January 06, 2018 @01:51PM (#16086794)
When you drive close to the Canadian and Mexican borders I've gone through those inland checkpoints. I've never seen that practiced along the littorals --never. Has anyone seen a checkpoint along the littorals? Curious.
Re:Border Search of Electronic Devices – CBP Directive [pdf] by RA_Fisher on Saturday January 06, 2018 @01:56PM (#16086825)
Not a checkpoint but I've seen CBP sitting on the Mississippi - Alabama state line multiple times (I10).