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Re:So Close by austenallred on Monday January 01, 2018 @09:26PM (#16049398)
> Silicon valley is chock full of know-nothing delusionals who love the smell of their own farts a little too much.

And Hacker News is full of people who lob bombs at everyone who tries and fails because it makes them feel superior for never having tried, all the while vastly underestimating the difficulty of building something meaningful.

Most efforts at building something great fail, so it’s easy to shit on everything and be right 90% of the time and think you’re a genius. The thing that makes Silicon Valley work is that the times when you’re are what really matter. If you say Facebook is overvalued at $3 Billion (as most of HN agreed) you could easily be wrong not just 1x, but 100x.

The world would be much better off with more people trying and failing while using hyperbolic language than having more trolls throwing parties on their graves. There’s absolutely no shortage of the latter.

Re:So Close by yawaramin on Monday January 01, 2018 @09:58PM (#16049512)
The thing is, I bet you they would find sympathy here if they launched, competed, and couldn't find a toehold. That would have been an honourable exit. But the way they went out here, after burning through $45m in investment funds and mismanaging a potential sale, then trying to imply blame on the would-be buyer--this doesn't look good at all.

Edit: example of HN crowd sympathetic to a postmortem https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13421608

Re:So Close by austenallred on Monday January 01, 2018 @10:21PM (#16049621)
What shows us it was mismanaged? How do we know the acquiring company didn’t cold feet and bail after the founders had run out of options to hedge?

You can’t raise a round with an acquisition pending, so you kind of have to put yourself in a precarious position. Perhaps they could have done something else, but hindsight is 20/20.

Re:So Close by yawaramin on Monday January 01, 2018 @11:12PM (#16049809)
A few things:

- They didn't pay contractors for months of work

- They gave no hints to anyone that they were running out of funds

- They agreed to stop looking for acquisitions while in discussions, without requiring a bailout penalty clause in exchange

- $45m for a lock? Where the heck did it all go? Elon Musk's initial investment in Tesla was $6m in 2004.

Re:So Close by greglindahl on Tuesday January 02, 2018 @02:04AM (#16050391)
I have been a founder at 2 startups that were acquired. In both cases there was a "noshop" with no bailout penalty. But the "noshop" didn't say we couldn't look for additional investors. I don't see anything in this writeup that implies that the noshop was unusual.
Re:So Close by minimaxir on Monday January 01, 2018 @09:58PM (#16049520)
"Hacker News always trolls new products" and "Entrepreneurs should always ignore Hacker News because they always troll new products" are equally problematic absolutes.
Re:So Close by austenallred on Monday January 01, 2018 @10:19PM (#16049610)
On that we are agreed
Re:So Close by exergy on Monday January 01, 2018 @09:44PM (#16049460)
[Removed pointless ranting]
Re:So Close by dang on Monday January 01, 2018 @09:58PM (#16049517)
I'm glad you work at CERN as an engineer. I work at Hacker News as a moderator. Really, please don't "do this". You're doing more damage to this site, which is trying against steep odds to be a place for thoughtful conversation, than even 100% rightness of your points could justify.

I assume you benefit from Hacker News, since you're a user here and a welcome one. But if you're benefitting from it, please take care of it, the same way you wouldn't litter in a city park or set fire to one.

If you read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html you'll get an idea of the intended spirit of the site. If you have a substantive point to make, make it thoughtfully; if you don't, please don't comment until you do; assume good faith, and please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize.

Re:So Close by exergy on Monday January 01, 2018 @10:05PM (#16049547)
My apologies. You've a tough job as it is without me adding to your woes.
Re:So Close by dang on Monday January 01, 2018 @10:12PM (#16049578)
No worries! Thanks for listening. This is slippery stuff that we all need to be mindful of, especially at 4 AM. Myself certainly included.
Re:So Close by austenallred on Monday January 01, 2018 @10:22PM (#16049627)
Partially my fault as well. My apologies.
Re:So Close by austenallred on Monday January 01, 2018 @09:58PM (#16049519)
Headed to bed. Enjoy.
Re:So Close by fuJiin on Monday January 01, 2018 @09:31PM (#16049416)
These know-nothing delusionals who love the smell of their own farts likely made both the hardware and the software you used to read that article, as well as everything you are using now using to post your message, on a site run by other know-nothing delusionals.

So yeah. Fuck them and their attitude. How dare people try anything.