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Re:A basic income experiment in Kenya by mantas on Monday January 01, 2018 @03:58PM (#16048012)
> Uh, that's easy, you are taxing the income from the position. The existing tax code, in fact, already covers this fairly completely.

But then you're taxing just once. No generational transfer tax.

> There's the receipt of the house or car; taxing in-kind transfers at fair market value is already done in other contexts.

Keep house or car under parents' name forever. It'll be written off or value will be very different by the time the old generation dies. If value booms - sell property and do smth creative to pass the money without tax.

> > If you tax inheritance - you tax both original incomes and generational transfer.

> The distinction is artificial; there is just income.

The difference comes in when you want to double tax :) If original earner pays income tax and then inheritance tax is applied - tax is paid twice. If you work around original income tax (e.g. trust fund) and only the (grand)kid pays his income tax - you only tax once..

> Inheritances aren't taxed as income, so you aren't avoiding a tax event that you would otherwise hit by swapping one for the other.

But you're avoiding it. Double-taxing comes from taxing original earner his income tax AND inheritance tax on top of that. If you restructure that, you can get away with paying income tax only.

> Sure, but that just makes a trust fund work like a tax-deferred transfer at the time money goes into the fund. That is something of a structuring opportunity, and I'd have no problem not having private benefit trusts be tax exempt entities (and they certainly a trivial fix if that is your concern), but it's a fairly minor issue.

You defer income tax AND avoid inheritance tax or double income tax. Essentially you get free generational wealth transfer.

Even if getting rid of trust funds (or similar vehicles) is easy, it wasn't done yet. Probably because if you'd outlaw trust funds, there's a 1000 and 1 ways to work around that in a different legal structure.

Re:A basic income experiment in Kenya by dragonwriter on Tuesday January 02, 2018 @12:11AM (#16050015)
> But then you're taxing just once. No generational transfer tax

It taxes exactly as many times as with the estate tax (or one more, since the estate tax actually misses virtually all generational transfers.)

> Keep house or car under parents' name forever.

That's a different scenario; but, again, there's a straightforward tax answer to it: treat such vehicle use the same way as it is treated with personal use of a company vehicle using the Annual Lease Value rule; the other mechanisms wouldn't apply.

> The difference comes in when you want to double tax :) If original earner pays income tax and then inheritance tax is applied - tax is paid twice.

Replacing the estate tax by taxing inheritances as income to the recipients would not reduce the scope of funds taxed both when originally received by the first owner and then again when transferred as inheritance; on the contrary, it would increase it and make it more consistent with the progressive income tax system, with the tax rate when inherited based on the total income of the heir, not the size of the estate.

Re:A basic income experiment in Kenya by mantas on Tuesday January 02, 2018 @06:46AM (#16051333)
I might be lost, but are you talking about about year-over-year real estate tax or "death tax" as in inheritance tax? My comments are based on later.

> That's a different scenario; but, again, there's a straightforward tax answer to it: treat such vehicle use the same way as it is treated with personal use of a company vehicle using the Annual Lease Value rule; the other mechanisms wouldn't apply.

Good luck trying to figure out who is the actual user of a house or a car. What if family shares the vehicle? Tax parents whenever their kid drives?

Let alone that this would, again, much more affect middle class than the uber rich.

> Replacing the estate tax by taxing inheritances as income to the recipients would not reduce the scope of funds taxed both when originally received by the first owner and then again when transferred as inheritance; on the contrary, it would increase it and make it more consistent with the progressive income tax system, with the tax rate when inherited based on the total income of the heir, not the size of the estate.

So you split inheritance on small bits before death to fly under radar. Or split inheritance to different people. Possibly consolidating it back later on. Or do the trust fund trick...