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Re:Oracle v Google: Why? What does Oracle hope to gain? by zmmmmm on Saturday August 14, 2010 @09:48PM (#1604416)
A good summary. After several days of thinking about this I can only come to two conclusions, neither of which I like:

a) Oracle is realizing that mobile is strategic and has decided this is how they will get in on the action. They think it is much more important than Java. They will force Google to license Java from them and that way gain not only royalties, but actual control of Android.

b) This is purely about damaging Android. There is an agreement we know nothing about yet between Apple and Oracle that if Oracle takes down Android something will happen in return from Apple. They don't care if they win or lose, they just want to smash adoption of Android. It could as easily be a move from MS but it is hard to think past the bitterness and sense of betrayal expressed by Jobs about Android, or the frequently reported "close friendship" between Ellison and Jobs.

I wish these were conspiracy theories but I can't account for Oracle's willingness to detonate what is still an incredibly valuable Java asset any other way.

Re:Oracle v Google: Why? What does Oracle hope to gain? by tzs on Sunday August 15, 2010 @12:21PM (#1605338)
> There is an agreement we know nothing about yet between Apple and Oracle that if Oracle takes down Android something will happen in return from Apple.

Like Apple gives a free iPod to everyone who purchases an Oracle database or something like that? Apple and Oracle are in such different markets it is hard to see how there is anything Apple can do for Oracle.

> I wish these were conspiracy theories...

They are.

Re:Oracle v Google: Why? What does Oracle hope to gain? by sprout on Sunday August 15, 2010 @09:56AM (#1605132)
I have to think that if licensing fees were required for Android Google would re-tool 3.0 for Python or something. Mobile processors are getting fast enough that Python wouldn't be a problem

And if they didn't, I suspect device manufacturers would look to the truly free Linux platforms.

Re:Oracle v Google: Why? What does Oracle hope to gain? by zmmmmm on Sunday August 15, 2010 @05:30PM (#1605996)
I think that retooling with Python would be such a huge undertaking that they could not do it. Not so much for their own software, but lets face there are ~100,000 Java apps out there for android now.

It would be interesting if they could do either of:

- Switch to use the GPL version of Java and be fully conformant with the java specs. This presumably would hurt performance unless they could do some miracle engineering to obviate the reasons Dalvik exists. Perhaps though, as phones get more powerful it's not so important.

- Keep Dalvik but work around whatever ip violations Oracle is successful in claiming. They probably believe they have already done this.

Re:Oracle v Google: Why? What does Oracle hope to gain? by tzs on Sunday August 15, 2010 @12:16PM (#1605334)
What is important for a phone platform is what's on top, not what's on bottom. Android can compete with iPhone because of the high level stuff Google provided--the Linux at the bottom is pretty much irrelevant.

Most Linux phones, other than Android and WebOS, run crappy top level stuff written by the device manufacturers. Rarely, a device manufacturer does come up with something that is not crap to put on top of the kernel, but even then they can't compete with iPhone because they lack the infrastructure, like app stores that can attract significant developer interest.

Re:Oracle v Google: Why? What does Oracle hope to gain? by sprout on Sunday August 15, 2010 @07:31PM (#1606252)
By all accounts I've seen, WebOS is a great platform, and failed because of marketing and hardware, not software.