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Re:Towards a bra-free Instagram experience by mikeash on Sunday December 31, 2017 @03:19PM (#16042646)
Why are hackers so all-or-nothing when it comes to customer feedback? Either you like everything about a product or you don’t use it. There’s no room for complaints or other feedback about something a person likes overall but doesn’t find to be perfect?
Re:Towards a bra-free Instagram experience by leetcrew on Sunday December 31, 2017 @05:35PM (#16043409)
Maybe some people actually agree with the sentiment of the article but are disappointed that no one takes any real action.

Almost everyone I know hates these kinds of ads and the way social media uses our information, but all they do to combat it is write blog posts and comments about how they wish it were different.

I think its pretty clear at this point that nothing is going to change if all we do is talk. Facebook knows that a bunch of blog posts are really no threat to its bottom line. So I think its not unreasonable to ask why people are unwilling to boycott services that they criticize so harshly.

Re:Towards a bra-free Instagram experience by mnm1 on Sunday December 31, 2017 @04:23PM (#16043068)
Maybe because boycotting is the only real power consumers have in our economy? Sure, there's room for complaints for people that don't mind wasting their time on futile acts that change nothing.
Re:Towards a bra-free Instagram experience by mikeash on Sunday December 31, 2017 @04:42PM (#16043160)
Power can be exercised without actually performing the act that gives you power. For example, if I have a gun pointed at you and I request your wallet, that request has power even if I don't actually shoot you.
Re:Towards a bra-free Instagram experience by icegreentea2 on Sunday December 31, 2017 @03:25PM (#16042692)
Maybe OP is making a value judgement on instagram? Maybe OP already decided that instagram's soul is not salvageable, and that they will always push advertisement that puts their profits and revenues before the preferences (and comfort and perhaps health) of the user.

Maybe the parts of the system (perhaps even the entire system) are so broken, yet also strangely voluntary (in particular ways... shadow profile aside) that we might owe it to ourselves to extract ourselves from it as best as can?

Re:Towards a bra-free Instagram experience by mikeash on Sunday December 31, 2017 @03:30PM (#16042735)
I see no indication of this whatsoever. This article reads like a plea for improvement to a service she mostly enjoys.
Re:Towards a bra-free Instagram experience by icegreentea2 on Sunday December 31, 2017 @03:35PM (#16042770)
Oh I agree. I was trying to answer to why some people respond in such an all or nothing manner bout stuff like this. Some people may have already made up their minds about what role entities like fb/instagram should have (ie none), and will take any opening to try to propagate that belief.

Or maybe it's just being lazy. Or both.

Re:Towards a bra-free Instagram experience by mikeash on Sunday December 31, 2017 @03:38PM (#16042791)
Oh, I think I get what you mean now. I misunderstood "OP." You're saying, maybe the commenter I replied to has decided that this service is completely worthless, to the point that they can't understand why someone would still put up with it? I could see that being the case, although I think that's just a special case of the phenomenon I'm talking about.
Re:Towards a bra-free Instagram experience by rch on Sunday December 31, 2017 @03:56PM (#16042929)
I assumed it's motivated by her interest in having Instagram (or similar competing organizations) contemplate the value of an 'agile' data analysis pipeline, which her employer conveniently provides.
Re:Towards a bra-free Instagram experience by figgis on Sunday December 31, 2017 @03:24PM (#16042689)
And the same people will get upset if you don't make a bug report somewhere.

Feedbacks important whether it's code or just experience.

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Re:Towards a bra-free Instagram experience by mikeash on Sunday December 31, 2017 @03:31PM (#16042743)
Because we’re on Hacker News making that kind of the default assumption, and it’s an attitude I’ve seen from hackers far and wide.
Re:Towards a bra-free Instagram experience by mikestew on Sunday December 31, 2017 @03:43PM (#16042823)
A fair assumption for sure, but HN will let just about anyone wander in without checking credentials. OTOH, personal experience says that lack of experience is often the root cause of thinking statements such as “just don’t use it” are at all helpful to the conversation. Often it is innocent, like the college hire I worked with at Microsoft who was complaining about a big customer still a version or two behind current Windows. “Why don’t they just upgrade?”

“Ever roll out an OS upgrade to 10K seats? Well, when you do, you’ll realize why they don’t ‘just upgrade’.” It was an innocent question, but revealed a lot of inexperience, and IMO, empathy.

But a lot of times it seem Mr. Grumpy Pants forgets exactly why they’re writing code in the first place, and laying the onus on the user is a demonstration of that.

Re:Towards a bra-free Instagram experience by aluhut on Sunday December 31, 2017 @03:39PM (#16042804)
I'm not sure which was worse, your or his comment.
Re:Towards a bra-free Instagram experience by mikestew on Sunday December 31, 2017 @03:49PM (#16042875)
Meh, to me that was the charitable interpretation, as time and experience can fix it. I’d rather not think that such a statement comes from a professional adult writing software for end users.
Re:Towards a bra-free Instagram experience by nickelbox on Sunday December 31, 2017 @05:14PM (#16043306)
I think the problem is that such statements (and worse) do come from professional adults. So I find assuming such views come from people with just enough wherewithal to type out a comment to be a) pointlessly hostile and b) a distraction from the troubling reality.
Re:Towards a bra-free Instagram experience by mikestew on Sunday December 31, 2017 @07:39PM (#16043909)
Mark your calendars, kids, because someone on the internet just got their mind changed. Specifically the b) part, in that my thinking leaves a big blnd spot to reality. The a) part, meh, not so much, but it gives me words for consideration.