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Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by rtpg on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:06PM (#16042097)
I really wish that someone would do the right thing and fix H-1B by attaching the visa to the person, not the job/employer.

That would help fix sooo many of the objections to this program. But perhaps most importantly it would mean people on this visa would not be indentured servants , with the possibility of visa revocation hanging over them.

Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by Someone1234 on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:26PM (#16042254)
That would be a huge improvement.

Frankly the whole original point of H-1B was to bring in awesome people and encourage them to stay if they showed they brought enough value.

It should, as you said, be attached to the person with a fixed term (10 years?), then at the end of the term there should be a "job interview"-like process where it is determined if this person has brought enough value. If they succeed hand them a Green Card.

Employers should still help them get the initial H-1B to show they have a job and that their credentials are credible. But after that the employee alone should hold the H-1B and be allowed to jump ship if they're unfairly treated or poorly compensated (after all the point of H-1B was never to get CHEAP labour, it was to get GOOD labour).

The fixed term also gives them more personal security, without the threat of being kicked out with little notice.

Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by seanmcdirmid on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:29PM (#16042280)
Getting an H1B is 90% of the way to getting a green card but with that weird company control, so why not cut the crud and do like the UK and Australia do: have a point based system that allows immigrants to directly apply for talent-based permanent residence?
Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by ll931110 on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:43PM (#16042396)
Ironically, Trump's agenda proposed exactly that system in August. So far there's very little support in House and Congress for some unknown reasons.

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/homeland-security/346...

Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by tedivm on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:51PM (#16042456)
It does far more than just that-

> In many ways, the RAISE Act returns us to the dark ages of American immigration policy. If enacted by Congress, this new legislation would cut the number of immigrants entering the United States by half. It would do away with family-based immigration, which reunites thousands of families every year and introduces a points-based system for potential immigrants which is stacked in favor of wealthy, highly-educated, English-speaking applicants. In short, it is the most far-reaching remaking of American immigration policy in more than 50 years.

Now, if the RAISE Act applies to only the H1-B program then your claim would be accurate and I think the bill would have a lot of support.

Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by Someone1234 on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:36PM (#16042346)
Simply because a fixed term before a Green Card gives us more data on how this individual is likely to perform in the US, not their country of origin. That's the whole point after all.

Plus at least in the UK they don't immediately get permanent residence.

Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by jacobolus on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:28PM (#16042275)
10+ years before a green card? Yeesh. That’s an outrageously long time to wait for permanent resident status.
Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by Someone1234 on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:41PM (#16042378)
And yet still a vast improvement over the status quo in my opinion.

The ten years is a fixed term, it can currently take at least that long but you can be deported earlier if you get fired from your job and are unable to find alternative employment compatible with your H-1B visa.

It might be unnerving knowing you may have to leave in ten years time, but imagine how unnerving it would be to potentially be fired every single day and get deported that same year. That's what is currently going on.

Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by aeontech on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:34PM (#16042324)
The US immigration system is notoriously backed up. Even family-based green card processing are backlogged by 5-6 years last I’ve heard.

It’s a perverse situation where people affected have no power to request any changes or improvements, and people who have power to do so, are not affected in the least, so there is no real incentive to improve anything.

Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by uiri on Sunday December 31, 2017 @03:19PM (#16042647)
Employment based applications are current for people from most countries. The big exceptions are Chinese, Filipino and Indian immigrants.

There is a 2-3 year wait for 4th category Mexicans, Guatemalans, Salvadorans, and Hondurans. Given the possible qualifications for this category, I suspect that these are mostly immigrants subject to child abuse, neglect or abandonment within the US.

Immediate relatives (spouses and minor children) of US citizens can always get a green card. I think that this process is fairly quick.

The family based process looks much more backlogged. If you're a brother, sister, or married (adult?) child of a US citizen, you will be stuck waiting for at least a decade. If you're an unmarried adult child of a US citizen or green card holder, you're looking at a 5-6 year wait unless you're Filipino (10+ year wait) or Mexican (20+ year wait). If you're the spouse of a green card holder, the wait is "only" 1-2 years.

https://www.uscis.gov/visabulletin-jan-18

https://www.uscis.gov/greencard/immediate-relative-us-citize...

Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by dragonwriter on Tuesday January 02, 2018 @06:56PM (#16057080)
> Even family-based green card processing are backlogged by 5-6 years last I’ve heard.

As of the most recent visa bulletin, the (quota limited) family-based categories are 2-13 years behind (different in each category) globally, with some countries much worse, notably Mexico where one category is at the same 2 year backlog that the category has globally, and the rest are 20-22 years behind.

Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by ll931110 on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:47PM (#16042431)
In addition, some people who have succeeded in the green card lottery actually oppose any change that makes immigration situation better. Maybe that's "us vs them" mentality?
Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by friedButter on Sunday December 31, 2017 @11:35PM (#16044720)
It's touching 20+ years for EB3 Indians and Chinese today
Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by damnyou on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:36PM (#16042339)
Just stop with these ridiculous restrictions and allow anyone who doesn't have a criminal record to come in.
Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by throwaway_98554 on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:50PM (#16042445)
"after all the point of H-1B was never to get CHEAP labour, it was to get GOOD labour"

I find that to be naive. It's not because a politician says that something is for X that it's really for X.

Especially considering that if for some reason good labor was rare and in demand, it would mean higher wages for this good labor.

Follow the money...

"(...) then at the end of the term there should be a "job interview"-like process where it is determined if this person has brought enough value."

Why do you want to add citizenship to the deal? If the salary alone is not a good enough incentive, perhaps it needs to be higher. Otherwise you're just selling citizenship in exchange for lower wages.

Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by briandear on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:34PM (#16042323)
H1B was never created as a path to immigration. It was always designed around a single purpose: temporarily filling a shortage for a specific position until a qualified American could be found.

Read the regulations. This idea of H1 as a path to a green card is just a fraudulent use of that visa. I am not opposed to people getting green cards — I am opposed to the idea that the H1B is some kind of back door to permanent residency.

If you want to immigrate, get the proper visa.

Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by neeleshs on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:54PM (#16042483)
May be I don't quite understand this - a "proper" employment based immigrant visa is one of https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrat.... Which is what most H1B folks apply for. Not sure how H1b is a backdoor for permanent residency.

Is your point that immigrant visa takes however long it takes (>10 years for Indians), and if one is already here on H1b, they should not expect H1b to be indefinitely extended until immigration visa is approved?

For pretty much all countries other than India, there are no practical issues, since they get permanent residence well before their H1b expires.

The problem is magnified for Indians to the extent that their lives are basically in suspended animation for several years

Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by raverbashing on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:50PM (#16042446)
There's no "backdoor", H1B is a dual intent visa, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_intent
Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by rtpg on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:42PM (#16042388)
So these people are good enough to work in our jobs , with skills that are, by definition, hard to find in the US.

It sounds like these people should be fast tracked for citizenship, given that they would be filling a gap in the country's skillsets.

If we invite them to move to the country, it seems fair to not kick them out for no good reason.

Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by dragonwriter on Tuesday January 02, 2018 @07:16PM (#16057200)
> This idea of H1 as a path to a green card is just a fraudulent use of that visa.

Wrong; it's explicitly, legally a dual-intent visa, unlike other non-immigrant visas in which immigration intent is prohibited and grounds for visa revocation. The idea of it as a path to permanent residency is explicitly part of its legal design, and so using it that way is not at all fraudulent.

Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by always_good on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:26PM (#16042251)
When I worked for Amazon, I felt bad for the people working there on visas. They never felt like they could say no when pressured into working through the weekend.

After uprooting your family and bringing them to the States, you have zero bargaining power. It's a pretty dark system.

Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by ma2rten on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:35PM (#16042336)
I am on an H1-B visa. I would say no to working on weekends.

Changing jobs is actually relatively painless with an H1-B visa. The only risk is that you have to find a new job in relatively short amount of time if would get fired.

Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by chrisper on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:47PM (#16042430)
You can say no, because in the worst case you would "only" have to go back to Germany. But what about people who are from countries like Pakistan etc.? They would rather work on weekends than to have to go back.
Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by immgrnt on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:43PM (#16042395)
I'm on H1B and in the backlog for past 10 years. I'll soon be 50 years old. If I lose my job, my resume will not even get shortlisted at this age
Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by oh_sigh on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:46PM (#16042413)
I worked at amazon with a number of H1Bs and they were never asked to work on weekends AFAIK(and I get notifications for commits into our repo and never particularly noticed any weekend activity).
Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by bhickey on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:38PM (#16042359)
We should also start allocating H-1Bs through a salary auction rather than by lottery. It'd put an end to body shops.
Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by neeleshs on Sunday December 31, 2017 @03:16PM (#16042630)
About "indentured servants" - there is always a choice - I'm specifically talking about H1b workers and not people who are running away from their home countries for their lives.

The choice is not to play this game and go back. Of course there are consequences, but its all about the mindset and staying away from building one's life/mindset around "h1b -> greencard -> citizenship". For me, it is one possible outcome in my life.

Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by raverbashing on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:53PM (#16042474)
Also the lottery is a bandage due to the fact that TCS and other "IT companies" applies for hundreds of visas and doesn't care how many of them come true as opposed to companies that want to hire one or two specific professionals but can't.

The number of lottery tickets one application gets should be proportional to the salary (for example, 1 ticket for every 10k salary after 80k/yr)

Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by immgrnt on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:25PM (#16042245)
The Tech giants like, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, etc. will never let that happen.
Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by tedivm on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:43PM (#16042399)
I don't think that's the case. Right now a ton of the H1-B visa's are given to various IT contracting companies, which use them to suppress wages. Those companies know that their people can't easily leave (and wouldn't be qualified for lots of other companies anyways), and so they can pay them less than they would US citizens.

The bigger tech companies aren't using the program to suppress wages though, they're using it to bring in highly skilled employees. For example, there is a ton of hiring in the AI field and grabbing up foreign workers who are skilled in this area is a huge economic advantage for the US. The tech companies want these people, not some dude who took a three month course and is now "qualified" to work on a helpdesk.

It's in the best interest of these tech companies to reform the H1-B program to make it more viable for these highly skilled workers. Unfortunately the big fear right now is that any reform attempts will be used by the current administration to crack down on all H1-B holders instead of simply reforming the system so it fits the original purpose.

Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by brazzledazzle on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:21PM (#16042214)
I suspect there’s a great deal of lobbying and support for weakening or strengthening it but not much for reforming it.
Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by briandear on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:29PM (#16042283)
Isn’t the purpose of the visa for a company to fill a hard to fill position? If that’s the case, it doesn’t make sense to give that visa to some random worker since the purpose is for a business to fill a specific role for which there is no suitable American.

H1B is not an immigrant visa. It’s a temporary visa. Also pretty much everywhere in Asia has the same kind of visa and it’s always tied to the employer. This kind of visa isn’t some uniquely American outlier.

Re:DHS weighs major change to H-1B foreign tech worker visa ... by tedivm on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:49PM (#16042442)
While that's great in theory what it actually does is suppress wages of US citizens. By having a separate class of "indentured servants" who have no choice but to work for the specific company or they'll be deported they are removing leverage from the labor market that would otherwise force the company to pay a more solid wage. Combine that with the fact that companies can easily find ways to claim that there are no suitable American's available for the role (even when there clearly are, they're just more expensive) and you have a system which is ripe for exploitation.

If the claim that there is no suitable American for the specific job then it shouldn't matter who the employee is. Either the skills are available in the existing market, and thus any employer can find someone, or those skills are in more demand than there is supply and all companies are likely to have a shortage.

Allowing H1-B's to transfer from one job to another easily would solve a lot of the issues that has come up with the program. It would make is to the wage suppression techniques would no longer apply, making the system more fair to both US citizens and highly skilled foreign workers.