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Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by netsharc on Thursday December 28, 2017 @05:02PM (#16025304)
I like this comment referring to someone else's (Linus Sebastian of Linus Tech Tips) opinion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16013565

How is it "completely manufactured"? Apple programmed (and hid) the slowdown because it knows the batteries it is shipping with its phones won't last more than a year. Linus compared it to a car performing worse after 1 year of usage..

Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by reaperducer on Thursday December 28, 2017 @05:12PM (#16025405)
> Linus compared it to a car performing worse after 1 year of usage

I hate to break it to him, but a one-year-old car will perform worse than a brand new car. A car is a hugely more robust piece of machinery than a telephone, so the degradation is less noticeable, but it's there. Why do you think the car depreciates the second you drive it off the lot?

Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by viraptor on Thursday December 28, 2017 @05:19PM (#16025477)
Good point until:

> Why do you think the car depreciates the second you drive it off the lot?

Because of the dealership and "new car" markup. There's next to no difference between the car that left the parking lot and a "new" one. If you don't care about this silly game, you can save a lot by buying an ex-display model with a few hundred/thousand km done.

Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by berbec on Thursday December 28, 2017 @10:07PM (#16027205)
Tip of the year!

I bought a "used" one-year-old Cadillac ATS with 6,000 miles on it. It had AWD, the V6 engine, and every option available except the rear-seat BluRay entertainment system. It was priced at 60% of new.

It was a great deal and I challenge anyone to tell the car wasn't brand new without checking the odometer.

Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by TheOtherHobbes on Thursday December 28, 2017 @06:04PM (#16025880)
It's not less noticeable. It's unnoticeable to anyone who isn't a professional mechanic.

How many people complain that their new car is slowing down significantly after less than a year, or becomes inexplicably unusable around the time the year+1 model appears?

This is very much not the case with the iPhone slowdown, where a lot of people were noticing issues, on a product which already has a pitiful and barely practical battery life.

Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by quicklyfrozen on Friday December 29, 2017 @01:45AM (#16028064)
It's actually not unusual for a car to perform better after a year. Check out some of the C&D long term tests (e.g. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-honda-civic-sedan-... -- both acceleration and braking improved at 40k miles).
Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by mikeklaas on Thursday December 28, 2017 @08:38PM (#16026841)
Huh? By that logic, the car performs 40% worse _seconds_ after it leaves the lot.
Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by MBCook on Thursday December 28, 2017 @05:11PM (#16025403)
> because it knows the batteries it is shipping with its phones won't last more than a year.

There is no evidence for this. Plenty of people use iPhones for two or three years and don’t have an issue, and didn’t before any of the iOS changes that “hid” them.

Some people are just really hard on phone batteries. I have a few relatives that way. I’m not sure I’ve ever had an issue using the phone for 2+ years but I don’t tend to drain it down near the bottom much.

Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by puzzle on Thursday December 28, 2017 @05:18PM (#16025467)
I am no Apple fan, but part of what they sell you is an experience where details like that are hidden from you. Before everybody got a Mac, didn't techies complain about Apple dumbing down computers?
Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by baddox on Thursday December 28, 2017 @09:06PM (#16026961)
Do you have any evidence that this much battery degradation would happen after just one year? I highly doubt that, unless the battery was very heavily used or was exposed to extreme temperatures.

The car analogy is not great. First off, new cars cost way more than phones, and are built out of very different types of components. Secondly, cars absolutely need maintenance, and generally more than $29 a year.

Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by asendra on Friday December 29, 2017 @02:49AM (#16028283)
Just my case, but Apple replaced my 6s battery because of random shutdowns under the replacement program on Jan 17th.

Around the release of iOs 11 (not sure exactly when because it was gradual and I was also on the iOs 11 beta) my 6s became incredibly slow, almost unbearable, until last month I decided to upgrade to an X because of how slow it was. Was planning a year more but I just couldn't see myself using it 1 year more.

Now I see via CPU Dasher and Geekbench that my 6s with a battery less than a year old (95,7% original capacity, 406 cycles) is running at 1400-900Mhz, (almost always between 1200-1000Mhz) instead of 1800Mhz.

Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by reaperducer on Thursday December 28, 2017 @05:13PM (#16025413)
> because it knows the batteries it is shipping with its phones won't last more than a year

Actually, it's an 8% decrease starting after the first year. But go ahead and keep on spreading the FUD. Your HTC stock should catch up soon.

Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by emn13 on Thursday December 28, 2017 @05:22PM (#16025493)
It depends on lots of factors; but the degradation can be a lot more than that if you really abuse your battery. And unfortunately most devices don't make it easy to avoid being hard on your battery - you just kind of need to know what not to do, and play a guessing game. Apple specifically isn't one to burden the user with unnecessary mental load - so battery-health management is unsurprisingly something I've never seen on any apple device (but it's pretty rare anyhow).
Re:A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Per... by netsharc on Thursday December 28, 2017 @05:59PM (#16025839)
> Your HTC stock should catch up soon.

Because stock price is an indicator of how well a company's products are engineered!

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