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Re:Vietnam Deploys Cyber Warriors to Fight ‘Wrongful Views' by yipopov on Wednesday December 27, 2017 @05:00AM (#16013883)
>I feel it's on us tech people to enable them the free speech they deserve.

It's clearly not a technical problem, so it's foolish to try to find a technical solution. This kind of silicon valley elitist Tellerism is doing more harm than good in cases like these.

Re:Vietnam Deploys Cyber Warriors to Fight ‘Wrongful Views' by shiven on Wednesday December 27, 2017 @08:33AM (#16014632)
Actually, it is. It is very much a technical problem. Technology has not yet provided a super-fast, truly decentralized, perfectly uncensorable “Internet for All” solution. If we had that, a lot of this discussion would be moot.

Someone in Dalat could teach Vietnamese to any number of foreigners, without any adversary being the wiser. Anyone in China could read up on Tiannenmen Square or the “Free Tibet” movement without fear of arrest. People in Indonesia could watch any film they wish.

“Laws” in any country on this planet are not immutable, immaculate/divine, absolute, or axiomatic. They can and should be changed — regardless of the concerns of those in power. And the only reliable way to ensure change is education, information and discussion — all unfettered, uncensored and unbridled.

Until technology guarantees that, we as ‘techies’ have not delivered. And please, don’t tell me about Tor and “teh darkwubs” — that is not a realistic solution for 99% of the online population — too slow and still not bulletproof.

Technology needs to do better.

Re:Vietnam Deploys Cyber Warriors to Fight ‘Wrongful Views' by tehlike on Wednesday December 27, 2017 @01:55PM (#16016980)
Very well said, thank you.

As for tor and the dark web, more important than being fast & solid is ease of use. If we design platforms, protocols, etc by default to be censorship free, then many projects to fill gaps will follow. Tor was an attempt, but failed at widespread adoption, maybe we need something smaller to begin with. E2E encrypted chat apps was a good first step, we need more.

We take many things here in the US for granted. When I go back to my home country, I feel odd sense of insecurity, now imagine people living there for their whole lives - they take censorship as normal and go with it. With censorship comes with censored imaginations, research and so on.

Re:Vietnam Deploys Cyber Warriors to Fight ‘Wrongful Views' by fixermark on Wednesday December 27, 2017 @02:03PM (#16017040)
The scenario you're describing is unlikely to be deliverable.

Any system sufficiently user-friendly to be accessible to the bulk of the global populace is also user-friendly to government authority. Because inevitably, passwords get misplaced and authentication / authorization tokens get forgotten or stolen, and then the average user needs an authority to turn to to re-establish their connection to the network.

Re:Vietnam Deploys Cyber Warriors to Fight ‘Wrongful Views' by tehlike on Wednesday December 27, 2017 @04:10PM (#16018068)
Don't get it. I have been giving example of a "chat app" that's e2e encrypted. If it's easy to use, but solid to do proper e2e, government cannot do anything. Especially if messages also can "disappear" after a day. Government stops you, inspect your phone, cannot find anything. At least there is some reasonable doubt. Granted, if oppressive government has a reasonable doubt about you, you might have hard time otherwise, but that won't scale to large populations.

Similarly, if internet was designed with privacy in mind, things would have been different. If your favorite news site were available through tor, and you were using nontracking browser, you'd probably be fine.

Re:Vietnam Deploys Cyber Warriors to Fight ‘Wrongful Views' by tehlike on Wednesday December 27, 2017 @07:28AM (#16014354)
Giving them a platform to freely communicate is not nothing. I think you were looking for an excuse to blame sv people.