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Re:Why Bitcoin will fail by noncoml on Saturday December 23, 2017 @09:28PM (#15997546)
Bitcoin looks like a ponzi scheme to me as there is no value to a Bitcoin other than that of itself.

Currencies used to represent the gold stored by each government. These days currency represent the trust that the system that uses the currency, will trade goods for it. However we had to go through the gold equivalent to get here.

Bitcoin doesn’t represent anything and has nothing to back it up.

Re:Why Bitcoin will fail by proofofanalysis on Saturday December 23, 2017 @09:58PM (#15997633)
Bitcoin's value is connected to the costs to continuously mine it and consequently keep the blockchain intact and secure.

These costs include electricity, mining equipment, personnel, and warehousing.

As with normal equity valuation, these costs would be transparent, allowing for valuation to take place.

Since Bitcoin is decentralized and its "employees", or miners, are disparate; costs are not known.

This information asymmetry is one cause of Bitcoin's unbounded price discovery.

Re:Why Bitcoin will fail by imtringued on Sunday December 24, 2017 @03:18PM (#16001144)
>Bitcoin's value is connected to the costs to continuously mine it and consequently keep the blockchain intact and secure.

That's wrong. Bitcoin isn't worth $X because miners are expending $X resources to obtain it. Miners are expending $X because people are buying bitcoin for $X.

Imagine a lottery where the reward is an ounce of gold which is worth $1200. A ticket costs $10. There is a guaranteed winner at the end of the lottery. When the lottery ends a random ticket will be selected and the owner gets the gold. Buying more tickets increases your chance of winning. Therefore participants will try to buy slightly less than $1200 worth of tickets. If the price of gold rises to $2400 people will buy twice as many tickets.

The block reward for mining is decreasing on a regular basis. Resources spent on mining will decrease because of lack of profitablity. If bitcoins value is dependent on mining then why isn't it decreasing with every year?

Re:Why Bitcoin will fail by noncoml on Saturday December 23, 2017 @10:12PM (#15997678)
What value do they create? Sure they burn electricity and energy but they don’t create any value other than the bitcoin value itself.
Re:Why Bitcoin will fail by proofofanalysis on Saturday December 23, 2017 @10:14PM (#15997684)
The incorruptibility of the ledger is the value.
Re:Why Bitcoin will fail by noncoml on Saturday December 23, 2017 @10:23PM (#15997722)
> The incorruptibility of the ledger is the value.

It cannot feed me, it cannot protect me from the elements, I cannot grow food on it and is not a tool to help me create something desirable by the others. Hence it has no value.

Re:Why Bitcoin will fail by proofofanalysis on Saturday December 23, 2017 @10:37PM (#15997776)
Bitcoin, being a form of wealth, can give you all the things you just described.

That it has no value during an apocalyptic scenario, does not mean it does not have value in the non-apocalyptic times.

Re:Why Bitcoin will fail by noncoml on Saturday December 23, 2017 @10:46PM (#15997811)
You cannot call it wealth to describe its value. You are just saying that the value of it is in itself. Which is what I am supporting as well.

In order for me to exchange it for goods, as you described, there must be someone who has the goods and is willing to exchange them for bitcoin. There is no real reason for someone to do so.

It is not an apocalyptic scenario. That’s what 90% if the population fight for, day in day out. Food, protection from the elements, security.

Re:Why Bitcoin will fail by proofofanalysis on Saturday December 23, 2017 @10:58PM (#15997848)
You are throwing away the possibility that there is an intrinsic value in Bitcoin, more related to socio-economic-political concerns, than survival. There is not only one domain in life.
Re:Why Bitcoin will fail by noncoml on Saturday December 23, 2017 @11:46PM (#15997988)
Ok, cool. We are getting somewhere now. What does Bitcoin offer in that perspective?
Re:Why Bitcoin will fail by proofofanalysis on Sunday December 24, 2017 @12:01AM (#15998040)
An incorruptible ledger resistant to the control of any individual, corporation, or state. Bitcoin may fail in its implementation of this goal. The future is still to be determined.

Bitcoin's underlying technology creates the possibility of decentralized governance, starting with currency, which is the connecting link between actors in societies based on economy.

Why such a future might be beneficial to mankind is that banking and finance being controlled by a few has led to errors with systemic consequences.

See the 2008 financial crisis and hyperinflation in Venezuela and Zimbabwe. See the seizure of funds by governments from individuals in Greek and Cyprus, scenarios where many of the affected did not write their own doom (others wrote it for them).

Re:Why Bitcoin will fail by Lncn on Sunday December 24, 2017 @01:20AM (#15998283)
I think you're conflating the value of a block chain with the value of bitcoin.

Why is bitcoin more valuable in this regard than any other altcoin?

Re:Why Bitcoin will fail by chrisco255 on Sunday December 24, 2017 @02:06AM (#15998405)
Because it being the first successful implementation...it has 9 years of history at this point. It has proven itself resilient to hacks, ddos, Chinese bans, threats of regulation, exchange scandals, and bad press, and yet the protocol just keeps humming along. It being the first, all other cryptos are traded in terms of BTC. The network effect, and the mind share of BTC are substantial at this point. BTC has one largely fixable problem: it doesn't scale. Lightning network tests prove that it can if a second layer is added. Once this rolls out, the game will change.
Re:Why Bitcoin will fail by 0x445442 on Saturday December 23, 2017 @11:56PM (#15998023)
For a small fee you can buy anything with BTC via Bitpay Visa.

Just curious, do you think paper currencies have intrinsic value?

Re:Why Bitcoin will fail by dworrad on Sunday December 24, 2017 @01:10AM (#15998250)
Very true. Ask Venezuela or Argentina if they trust the value of their fiat currency.
Re:Why Bitcoin will fail by mihvoi on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @06:59PM (#16011846)
They printed a lot of fiat money without loaning it to people that can produce goods. The result is not enough loan pressure to "buy" the fiat papers over goods. On the good side, I guess they have some enforcement and a lot of violence :(

A limited supply coin does not guaranty a need to exchange goods over that particular coin and not another.