Re:Nvidia’s New Policy Limits GeForce Data Center Usage
by f1notformula1 on Thursday December 21, 2017 @07:23PM
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I'm not a legal expert and don't understand EULAs at all. I expected a "Datacenter" to be defined at some point but I didn't see a definition in the EULA.
How should one interpret this? Is a research cluster a datacenter? How about a rack of a few dozen machines I built by hand? I've been in university research groups that had both options.
Somewhat maddening to have a single line in the EULA that's so open to interpretation.
Re:Nvidia’s New Policy Limits GeForce Data Center Usage
by solomatov on Thursday December 21, 2017 @09:13PM
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IANAL, but in the law there's a thing which is called Contra proferentem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contra_proferentem Basically, it means that ambiguous terms are interpreted against the contract drafter.
Re:Nvidia’s New Policy Limits GeForce Data Center Usage
by QAPereo on Thursday December 21, 2017 @10:04PM
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You get that pretty much everywhere that used to be British common law iirc, and it’s why contracts frequently define seemingly minor and silly terms, ones which are obvious such as “the undersigned“ and all manner of the seemingly banal. In essence the contract is first and foremost agreeing on the same language, to express a commitment which ideally all parties are fully cognizant of.
Edit: spelling
Re:Nvidia’s New Policy Limits GeForce Data Center Usage
by willyt on Friday December 22, 2017 @04:39AM
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Also there is no punitive damages in U.K. law. So what’s the worst that could happen? Would you put them back in the position they would have been had the contract not existed, so give the cards back plus a contribution towards depreciation? Would be interesting if someone with legal knowledge could chime in.
Re:Nvidia’s New Policy Limits GeForce Data Center Usage
by TheGrumpyBrit on Friday December 22, 2017 @08:36AM
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They could potentially claim damages for the difference in price between the GeForce and the equivalent Tesla, using the argument that using the GeForce in a DC has cost them that amount in lost revenue.
Of course, a counterclaim for existing owners would be that the product they purchased was licensed for DC usage at time the contract was entered into, and so the original rights cannot be unilaterally revoked without consent.
Re:Nvidia’s New Policy Limits GeForce Data Center Usage
by jo909 on Thursday December 21, 2017 @07:47PM
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They don't want commercial cloud and bare metal and "machine learning as a service" platforms to be based on GeForce cards. Such a service is either insignificant in it's size, or based in a Datacenter.
I would not stress about this on my own hardware for my personal or company internal use, even if it is a full rack or more in a Datacenter. Nvidia is not going to be able to tell the difference to a rack in my basement.
Re:Nvidia’s New Policy Limits GeForce Data Center Usage
by QAPereo on Thursday December 21, 2017 @07:34PM
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Undefined terms like that speak to the weakness of the EULA as an enforceable contract.
Re:Nvidia’s New Policy Limits GeForce Data Center Usage
by jacquesm on Thursday December 21, 2017 @07:35PM
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When you're not a legal expert and you feel like you are about to maybe break a term in someone else's license agreement the right avenue is to consult your company or university legal department.
Re:Nvidia’s New Policy Limits GeForce Data Center Usage
by dnautics on Thursday December 21, 2017 @07:12PM
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What if you write your own block chain where the POW is "do a deep learning task"?
Re:Nvidia’s New Policy Limits GeForce Data Center Usage
by codeisawesome on Thursday December 21, 2017 @07:23PM
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This is the concept behind openmined.org - the “miners” are rewarded for improving the gradient (the data is anonymised).
Re:Nvidia’s New Policy Limits GeForce Data Center Usage
by make3 on Thursday December 21, 2017 @07:27PM
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courts aren't (yet?) ruled by machines; you'll have a hard time arguing this to an actual human being
Re:Nvidia’s New Policy Limits GeForce Data Center Usage
by dnautics on Thursday December 21, 2017 @07:57PM
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And an actual human judge is not going to sympathize with a have your cake and eat it too EULA like nvidias especially if the competitor is offering a product that is more efficient for the consumer
> No Datacenter Deployment. The SOFTWARE is not licensed for datacenter deployment, except that blockchain processing in a datacenter is permitted.
Edit: http://www.nvidia.com/content/DriverDownload-March2009/licen... and https://www.geforce.com/drivers/license/geforce