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Re:Tesla big battery outsmarts lumbering coal units by JoeAltmaier on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @08:15PM (#15966111)
Start a business then! But I think investors may be hard to find - because most of that hasn't proved cost effective.
Re:Tesla big battery outsmarts lumbering coal units by nl on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @08:23PM (#15966170)
In Australia?

Almost all power companies are already doing combinations of these, while shutting down coal-fired stations - they just aren't economical to run: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-06/electricity-markets-st...

They are all have large renewable generation. See here for the mix: https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Mar...

Re:Tesla big battery outsmarts lumbering coal units by cromulent on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @01:53AM (#15967578)
Yeah, but investors in coal would be hard to find in a free market as they are not cost effective without government subsidies.

Fossil fuel subsidies in 2015 were 6.5% of global GDP. That's quite a lot of money. Coal subsidies were about half of that.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305750X16...

Re:Tesla big battery outsmarts lumbering coal units by nl on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @09:23PM (#15966496)
Re:Tesla big battery outsmarts lumbering coal units by pjc50 on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @06:15AM (#15968671)
Ah, the idiotic libertarian response. Just the other day I got a small cheque because I'm an investor in a local solar scheme.

Renewables work, have very modest maintenance requirements, and the intermittency can be managed. It's ridiculous that Australia isn't getting at least 30% of its energy from solar.

Re:Tesla big battery outsmarts lumbering coal units by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @09:02AM (#15969510)
"Got a check" isn't the same thing. Somebody subsidized that check I think. We also have cities subsidizing aluminum recycling, which pays nobody and has no ecological benefit.

I'm just practical about what theatre I endorse, and what I skip.

Re:Tesla big battery outsmarts lumbering coal units by pjc50 on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @09:18AM (#15969648)
Of course, but the coal is on a favourable tax regime and the nuclear plants won't be built without subsidy either. Hinkley Point C is guaranteed a price of £92.50/MWh regardless of the market rate.
Re:Tesla big battery outsmarts lumbering coal units by lhopki01 on Thursday December 21, 2017 @05:15AM (#15977698)
Aluminium recycling is actually has lots of ecological benefit. It uses about 95% less energy to recycle aluminium than it does to produce it. In terms of subsidies to recycling you've chosen the item that would always be recycled no matter what.
Re:Tesla big battery outsmarts lumbering coal units by greglindahl on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @08:55PM (#15966364)
Don't forget the price of carbon. There's billions of $ of profitable business done in these areas recently.