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Re:A friend of mine died and I didn't know because of algori... by pgrote on Monday December 18, 2017 @10:07PM (#15957418)
A week or so ago Facebook removed the ticker feature they had in the bottom right corner. This is how I worked around the predetermined algorithm showing me what Facebook thinks I wanted to see. It allowed me to keep up with people I wanted to without Facebook intervening.

Now that it is gone, the value of Facebook to me is near zero. Even if I saw MOST RECENT, posts are missing. When I come back it's switched back to TOP STORIES.

I have no idea why companies decide to make users work hard for what they want.

Re:A friend of mine died and I didn't know because of algori... by TallGuyShort on Monday December 18, 2017 @10:20PM (#15957467)
I've noticed this with Instagram too. I don't know what the algorithm is based on, because 2 months ago I stopped seeing posts from a couple of local stores I used to (until they stopped showing up in my feed when scrolling until I got to posts I had seen before) interact with A LOT. When I finally noticed I hadn't seen them in a while I checked their pages directly. Turns out a big ticket item I've been thinking about getting had just been on sale at a significant discount. Thanks, Instagram algorithms. Good job. Instagram and Facebook now removed from my phone and I haven't been happier in a long time. Good riddance. Distractions that stopped adding any value to my life a long time ago.
Re:A friend of mine died and I didn't know because of algori... by zippergz on Monday December 18, 2017 @10:22PM (#15957475)
They’re trying to force the business to pay to advertise rather than using their platform to do it for free.
Re:A friend of mine died and I didn't know because of algori... by sizzle on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @12:36AM (#15958020)
so they're taking the Yelp approach....
Re:A friend of mine died and I didn't know because of algori... by MikeKusold on Monday December 18, 2017 @11:17PM (#15957708)
My problem with instagram is that I need to be careful what to "like". I used to follow Redbull, and they post great content that I would usually like. Then one day I noticed 3/4 of my feed was redbull. So I had to unfollow them. Now I follow some lifestyle accounts (mainly skiing) and I have to be careful not to like their content in case it takes over my page and hides my actual friends' posts.
Re:A friend of mine died and I didn't know because of algori... by colechristensen on Monday December 18, 2017 @10:15PM (#15957449)
The peak of Facebook's usefulness was, for me, some time around when I joined in 2005. I don't think there has, in that entire span, been a change where I thought "wow this is great!". Everything I've noticed has either been neutral or negative.

The best thing I did recently was turn on 2-factor auth for Facebook. Now, because it's mildly annoying to log in, I haven't logged in in weeks. I still can, but I don't.

Facebook changed from an extremely high engagement niche product to a nearly free-of-utility product with the goal of capturing the entire planet as users.

Re:A friend of mine died and I didn't know because of algori... by epanchin on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @05:30AM (#15959207)
2FA completely broke my habit of checking Facebook.
Re:A friend of mine died and I didn't know because of algori... by danso on Monday December 18, 2017 @10:17PM (#15957457)
For other folks (like me) who weren't aware of this change (Ticker has been around since 2011): http://observer.com/2017/12/facebook-ticker-removed-news-fee...

> “We’re always listening to our community and working to make Facebook a personally relevant and real-time experience,” the spokesperson said in an email. “We’ve heard from people that News Feed is the best place to stay up to date with the people and Pages they follow, so we are removing Ticker.”

Reports of the ticker disappearing can be found over the past years. Presumably they've been doing A/B testing to figure out how many people actually use it, compared to the potential of using that space for something else.

For those (like me) who forgot what the ticker looked like on the web: https://techcrunch.com/2011/09/20/facebook-news-feed-gets-sm...

Re:A friend of mine died and I didn't know because of algori... by gdulli on Monday December 18, 2017 @10:11PM (#15957438)
I've bookmarked "most recent" but have long since stopped trusting that it's a pure chronological feed. I don't know how Facebook decides what I do and don't want to see, but they don't get it right.
Re:A friend of mine died and I didn't know because of algori... by r3bl on Monday December 18, 2017 @10:21PM (#15957471)
From what I've figured out, on top of your "top stories" feed, you might see something that's 15 or 16 hours old, while on "most recent" you'll see the almost exact same stories in newest-first order.
Re:A friend of mine died and I didn't know because of algori... by danso on Monday December 18, 2017 @10:26PM (#15957494)
It varies upon user and friend activity. I just checked my "Top Stories" feed and the top post was from one of my best friends on Dec. 14 (3 days ago) and it wasn't even the most recent post/status update from her -- I assume it was placed highly because it got a decent amount of engagement (likes/comments). My "Most Recent" feed contains a few dozen posts/updates within the last hour.
Re:A friend of mine died and I didn't know because of algori... by ramphastidae on Monday December 18, 2017 @11:16PM (#15957698)
Because you're not their customer — advertisers are.
Re:A friend of mine died and I didn't know because of algori... by Realist1337 on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @12:38AM (#15958035)
I dont fully understand this statement -- I've reduced Facebook browsing 85% because of newsfeed changes in the past year (i only see a handful of people, and at times dont even see my wife's posts for some strange reason (NO she is NOT blocking me)).

How is it good for advertising that I dont use their product much anymore?

Re:A friend of mine died and I didn't know because of algori... by jacobush on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @02:56AM (#15958516)
You sound like an exhausted resource
Re:A friend of mine died and I didn't know because of algori... by Gargoyle on Monday December 18, 2017 @11:31PM (#15957777)
If I don't enjoy my experience, I use it less and their customers get less.
Re:A friend of mine died and I didn't know because of algori... by carlivar on Monday December 18, 2017 @10:11PM (#15957437)
Users? You're the product. Advertisers are the users.
Re:A friend of mine died and I didn't know because of algori... by hunter2_ on Monday December 18, 2017 @10:25PM (#15957486)
More typically than in response to someone saying "user," I see this in response to somebody erroneously saying "customer" or similar. I think "the user" is pretty valid, but "the used" makes for a good smirk.
Re:A friend of mine died and I didn't know because of algori... by astrodust on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @12:17AM (#15957950)
There's only two industries that describe their customers as users: Software and drug dealers.
Re:A friend of mine died and I didn't know because of algori... by carlivar on Monday December 18, 2017 @10:31PM (#15957513)
Yeah I got that wrong. I mixed up users with customers. Thank you for pointing it out.
Re:A friend of mine died and I didn't know because of algori... by kruczek on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @07:57AM (#15959834)
God, I hate that phrase. I mean, I know that's the intended reason for it - to make it outrageous. But it's also stupidly incorrect. Facebook is not "producing" people who are using it, it is producing specific representation of data about their users. And I do not believe whatever data Facebook has can be considered equal to actual people.
Re:A friend of mine died and I didn't know because of algori... by bschwindHN on Monday December 18, 2017 @10:23PM (#15957478)
Ahh there it is.
Re:A friend of mine died and I didn't know because of algori... by pfarnsworth on Monday December 18, 2017 @11:24PM (#15957745)
The worst thing about the Facebook feed is that it shows me the LIKES of my friends. I don't want to see their goddamn likes. I want to see their posts.

This is the one thing that made me so angry, especially during the election. I thought they were posting things onto their feed that was overly political, but then I realized all they were doing was liking things. It's not their fault.

Facebook needs to get rid of the Likes from my friends from my stream. It's the worst part of the feed and the least useful.

Re:A friend of mine died and I didn't know because of algori... by jacobush on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @02:58AM (#15958522)
Seems it worked as intended during the elections. Next cycle they might have to come up with something else to reel you in.
Re:A friend of mine died and I didn't know because of algori... by craftyguy on Monday December 18, 2017 @10:37PM (#15957533)
if the value of FB is practically zero (you say "near"..) then just "delete"* your account.

*obviously FB would never allow that, but you can stop (or severely slow down) the firehose of information you are sending them by doing this.