Re:What ORMs have taught me: just learn SQL (2014)
by dizzystar on Monday December 18, 2017 @05:15AM
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Woah, who are you interacting with that not knowing SQL is rare?
In my experience, nearly no one knows SQL, and the attitude seems to be that learning it at all is a waste of mental bandwidth.
On the other hand, I wonder if knowing none at all is better than knowing a little.
Re:What ORMs have taught me: just learn SQL (2014)
by GFischer on Monday December 18, 2017 @05:51AM
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Wow, I've never met a developer that didn't know SQL.
Even 1 year "learn programming fast" courses here in Uruguay have at least the basics. OTOH, Javascript is not taught in many courses so YMMV...
Re:What ORMs have taught me: just learn SQL (2014)
by pmontra on Monday December 18, 2017 @05:32AM
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I expect that everybody with a degree knows SQL and I'm realizing that I could be wrong. Maybe sometimes I'm the only one in the room that knows it. I'll check it next time I'm at a technical event leaning on the backend side.
Re:What ORMs have taught me: just learn SQL (2014)
by tonyedgecombe on Monday December 18, 2017 @09:24AM
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I haven't written very much SQL in my career, there is quite a lot of development that doesn't use it.
But I'm really surprised every time people tell me they look at the schema as defined into the ORM instead of at the table in the database.
I'm really jaw dropped the few times I know somebody doesn't even know SQL, only the ORM. Maybe they look at it as if it were the reaction of somebody that thinks you must know assembly if you want to program Ruby, Python or Node (I don't.) Still, if you work with a database you must know it's internal language, SQL or NoSQL. Your going to need it or build a mess.
And involving a DBA early in the project can make your database at least twice as fast, with the right schema and the right queries. Then you translate that into the ORM you want to use.