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Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by ghaff on Sunday December 17, 2017 @01:30PM (#15946946)
By and large, there's no particular reason to think purpose-built highway infrastructure is needed for autonomous vehicles. Maybe to alert for construction zones but we're pretty close to having autonomy on limited access, well-mapped highways today.

The problem is that, while this would be a really nice car feature (and probably great for safety), it does nothing for the people who don't want to own a car and just want a car and computer driver at their beck and call. Unfortunately for these folks, the autonomous highway driving is relatively near-term while door-to-door autonomy is probably decades away.

Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by eksemplar on Monday December 18, 2017 @01:05AM (#15949759)
We’re testing autonomous cars in my municipal and so far they suck.

If the lines aren’t painted on the side of the road, they can’t drive.

If they meet a road sign they don’t know, they can’t drive. We have several “special” signs In Denmark, but a lot of the times it’s because the sign was too faded/dirty/covered in snow.

Of leaves, branches and some such are on the road, they can’t drive.

If traffic misbehaves, they can’t drive.

If road quality drops, or there is big pools of water on the side of the road, they can’t drive.

Basically they can’t drive.

I can’t tell you what tech we are testing, but we are trying two different manufacturers and they are both “cutting edge” and we’re testing a fleet of 16 cars over 3 years.

Another municipaly managed to get an autonomous bus going in its city center though, so it’s definitely still coming, it’s just really really far away.

Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by reacharavindh on Monday December 18, 2017 @02:37AM (#15950096)
Interesting insight. I wrote my concern while living in Denmark as well.

About 10 years ago, I read a paper from an Institute of Transportation in Australia about the use of low power microwave transmitters along the lanes of the highway which can "guide" the intelligent cars along the highways and also the idea of a car mesh that can communicate learning( as in I found a pot hole here that wasn't in our map, be careful!) That sounds a very practical approach of course with the government investment on roads. After all, it is the government's charter to build public infrastructure! The car companies need to work with public policy and not try to make something within their bounds.

Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by pilsetnieks on Monday December 18, 2017 @06:01AM (#15950814)
Yeah, well, if it's too hard to paint a line on the side of the road, imagine what would happen with maintaining arrays of low power microwave transmitters.
Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by reacharavindh on Monday December 18, 2017 @06:53AM (#15951033)
I think they come with different problems and can help add redundancy to data input. I would be scared to sit in a self-driving car that depends only on visibility of lines at the edge of the road. However, if there are enough data points available to the car at all points in time, then it makes the probability of failure low enough.

Imagine a system that munches visual clues + RADAR/LIDAR data + Microwave or RF transmitters embedded in the road + GPS/SATNAV + data from other cars via local mesh network. Now, that I'd think about trusting a little bit. Also, I'd definitely be watching 007 movies while my car drives me :-)

Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by ensignavenger on Monday December 18, 2017 @08:56AM (#15951590)
Who is "we"?
Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by prawn on Monday December 18, 2017 @06:12PM (#15956320)
"We have several “special” signs In Denmark..."
Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by leemcalilly on Monday December 18, 2017 @12:05AM (#15949576)

   it does nothing for the people who don't want to own a car and just want a car and computer driver at their beck and call. 
Classic disruption (not in the sense that it is often used) would be to start with a niche so limited that it doesn't seem useful to almost anyone, and then expand from that use case.

If you could make a Tesla owner's commute from SF to Sand Hill Road a much better experience (via autonomous-only toll road), I'd say that's one hell of a start.

Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by ghaff on Monday December 18, 2017 @06:38AM (#15950961)
Dedicated infrastructure for autonomous driving is a non-starter. However, allowing full hands-off on certain roads, perhaps only in good weather, would still be a feature that people would spend a lot of money for. It's not clear at what point people will be legally allowed to watch a video on their commute but we can probably see a path to getting there.
Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by chillydawg on Monday December 18, 2017 @07:22AM (#15951144)
Wow - a toll road that excludes everyone except the super ultra rich who can afford the latest shiny cars. Exactly what California needs.
Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by Aloha on Monday December 18, 2017 @12:16AM (#15949606)
This process to build such a highway in california is beyond even the considerable means of Elon Musk - just the land acquisition and environmental review costs are staggering.
Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by njarboe on Monday December 18, 2017 @12:31AM (#15949650)
Thus the Boring Company was born.
Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by comstock on Sunday December 17, 2017 @11:59PM (#15949540)
I wish people would wake up and realize this. My hope is that all the hype around self driving cars will result in some momentum around more limited applications.

But it might be another of those the perfect is the enemy of the good type situations.

Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by intended on Monday December 18, 2017 @01:16AM (#15949802)
By and large there is - if you live in any non first world country and have seen actual traffic.

I had a motorcyclist riding on the shoulder of the highway going in the opposite direction as traffic only this Saturday.

I bet i could use a bored child and a drone to stop level 5 cars.

Fully Autonomous vehicles are a fools errand. Volvo has it right.