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Re:What People Think You Can’t Say in Silicon Valley by xorcist on Sunday December 17, 2017 @07:13AM (#15945449)
> It's as if once we allow these facts into the argument,

Right, facts.

Most of the biological arguments are very touchy-feely. But .. we can see differences in MRI between gays and straights (or men and women, or some other divide du jour)! That's to be expected. Unless your equipment is broken. But the facts that patterns in the brain has established doesn't tell us anything how, or why, they developed.

Scan a professional piano player and compare with a regular person and you'll pick up patterns there as well. Is that some sort of argument that piano talent is innate? If hypothetically some statistical factor could be identified that is more prevalent among black people and piano player, does that mean black people are more suited to be piano players?

No, it does not. Yet when considering sex differences, and to some extent race differences, those are the kind of argument that goes for factual. I doubt it's the factual part that bothers people, but rather the logical hoops necessary for these argument to gain practical relevance for decisionmaking.

I can somehow relate to the tiredness your friend expressed. In some other areas where I have taken active part for the past decade or two, I still encounter the same arguments over and over again (for example why open source is by necessity non-innovative), and every person genuiney believe they came up with a new and important thought that other people needs to consider. Just a quick skim of the discourse in the relevant area would really go a long way of presenting them in a more informed way.

So it might not be the arguments themselves that are tiring but the repetitivesness with the way they are presented.

Re:What People Think You Can’t Say in Silicon Valley by humank on Sunday December 17, 2017 @11:21AM (#15946318)
"does that mean black people are more suited to be piano players"

Maybe I'm misunderstanding things, but if some statistical factor was identified with predictive power, does that not literally mean that generally they'd be more suited to be piano players?

This isn't some argument about philosophically what constitutes a piano player. If this were true, you'd expect on average that this group has a higher proportion of piano players, and you could say heuristically that, yes, they are more suited to be piano players.

Caveat: this does not necessarily mean you should base decisions solely off of whether they belong to the group, as it depends on how strong said predictor actually is.

Re:What People Think You Can’t Say in Silicon Valley by xorcist on Sunday December 17, 2017 @05:17PM (#15948006)
> does that not literally mean that generally they'd be more suited to be piano players?

Depending on exactly what you mean by "predictive". You can identify someone as more likely to be a piano player while the person may not be more suited to be one.

The example was meant to be illustrative of a confounding effect, but perhaps a better one could have been chosen.

Re:What People Think You Can’t Say in Silicon Valley by owebmaster on Sunday December 17, 2017 @04:24PM (#15947741)
It is because some people do the mental gymnastics of separate biology, sociology, culture. But the reality is that these boundaries are virtual. Black people (which I'm) are more likely to become succesful rappers. It doesn't matter if it is because of biology or culture, it is.