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Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by roryisok on Sunday December 17, 2017 @05:23AM (#15945140)
Probably just me, but economist articles never load properly (windows phone, so there's that). Page keeps popping me back up to the top of the article, happened 4 times and then the text disappeared. Oh well.

At least I can infer from the headline that crime is very low in Japan. I wonder what they're doing that the rest of the world aren't

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by cperciva on Sunday December 17, 2017 @05:53AM (#15945224)
Crime rates are dropping almost everywhere; the exceptions are short term increases during episodes of societal disruption (e.g. wars).

One of the reasons Japan's rate is so low is that they're ahead of other countries in the race to grow old; the vast majority of crime, and especially violent crime, is committed by young people.

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by eru on Sunday December 17, 2017 @08:23AM (#15945666)
> [...] the vast majority of crime, and especially violent crime, is committed by young people.

Or to be more precise: young males.

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by cperciva on Sunday December 17, 2017 @04:04PM (#15947647)
Males are more likely to commit crimes, yes; but not necessarily as much as conviction statistics would suggest. There is systematic under-reporting and under-prosecution of crimes committed by females, which seems to be driven largely by a perception that women are "harmless".
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by eru on Sunday December 17, 2017 @11:34PM (#15949453)
They are probably committing different kinds of infractions, too. Some of them more criminalised than others.
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by whatshisface on Sunday December 17, 2017 @01:06PM (#15946822)
That wouldn't be relevant; Japan is skewing old, but doesn't have a similar gender imbalance.

Edit: to clarify, I am saying that Japan does not have a gender ratio all that different from other countries - meaning that gender differences shed no light on its crime rates. It's an irrelevant statistic.

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by jfoutz on Sunday December 17, 2017 @02:08PM (#15947109)
That's amazing! "A 2013 global study on homicide by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime found that males accounted for about 96 percent of all homicide perpetrators worldwide."[1]. I wonder what's so unique about Japanese culture that keeps homicide rates by gender in balance?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_crime#World...

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by pimmen on Sunday December 17, 2017 @06:04AM (#15945252)
Youth activity is probably a factor. Some anecdata is that, in Sweden, January is usually the month when violent crime is at a very low point in the year. Young people don’t have any money to go out after spending it on Christmas and New Year’s, and it’s super cold so running around in town sucks.
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Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by sctb on Sunday December 17, 2017 @12:41PM (#15946712)
Please don't violate the guidelines like this. We ban accounts that do.

> Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by interfixus on Sunday December 17, 2017 @12:55PM (#15946778)
As always, moderators have the final say, take it or leave it. I'm the first to acknowledge that, whether or not I agree with a specific decision.

Interested, though, in a subcomment to see myself sort of likened to a "daily stormer, 4chan, neo-nazi, alt-right psychopath", and that comment apparently not getting censored, despite my flagging.

I'm probably just being thick, but the ruleset is not immediately obvious to me.

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by sctb on Sunday December 17, 2017 @03:32PM (#15947505)
Other comments are not the guidelines, the guidelines are the guidelines. Introducing a flamewar topic without anything (new or otherwise) to say about it is mentioned explicitly.
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by ambentzen on Sunday December 17, 2017 @10:31AM (#15946094)
If you are going to be a racist dick, at least be overt about it...
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by interfixus on Sunday December 17, 2017 @10:42AM (#15946147)
Oh, but I probably am a racist dick.

In this case, however, I don't need to be. A simple look at statistics will do fine.

Another hint: It is not native young Swedes who have suddenly gone on a rampage and turned shootings, killings, and the occasional grenade into mundane, everyday background-noise in places like Malmø.

Now your turn to be an overt anatomical metafor.

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by tomrod on Sunday December 17, 2017 @10:45AM (#15946158)
Interesting! Are you implicitly claiming non-Chtistmas-celebrating individuals are inherently less moral than Christmas-celebrating counterparts? I would love a citation to a survey of scientific studies supporting this claim. Mostly because I'm pretty sure it's bogus.
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by ta98789878 on Sunday December 17, 2017 @11:21AM (#15946316)
No, he's implicitly claiming that the crimes are disproportionally committed by immigrants and refugees, who are disproportionally not Christian. The following article (note the URL), after mutch hemming and hawing, manages to spit out the sentence:

According to the most recent study, people from foreign backgrounds are 2.5 times more likely to be suspected of crimes than people born in Sweden to Swedish-born parents.

Rapidly qualified by statements about income of course: In a later study, researchers at Stockholm University showed that the main difference in terms of criminal activity between immigrants and others in the population was due to differences in the socioeconomic conditions in which they grew up in Sweden.

http://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migrat...

Crying RACIST! at everyone who points this out may be effective in silencing them but it doesn't make it any less true, and it doesn't make the pro-immigration side any less obligated to explain why Sweden is obligated to accept this. It may well be that it's the right thing to do, but using accusations of racism instead of actual moral reasoning, such as, "if we didn't accept them they would be persecuted" is intellectually dishonest.

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by pimmen on Sunday December 17, 2017 @11:59AM (#15946493)
Nope, he said the vast majority of violent crimes are committed by one group, not that one group is disproportionally represented in the violent crime statistics. Big difference, and it makes him completely wrong and it either reflects poorly on your reading comprehension or you're somehow trying to polish his blatantly racist statement in dishonest ways.
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by interfixus on Sunday December 17, 2017 @10:53AM (#15946198)
No, I am not. I am claiming - or reporting, rather - that violent crime has escalated vastly in certain parts of Sweden, and that immigrants almost exclusively are behind this escalation.
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by tomrod on Sunday December 17, 2017 @11:15AM (#15946293)
And you determined this, how? First hand observation and reporting? Raw reported data (which can have racial bias, if the majority culture reports higher against immigrants or minorities), or what?

You made a bold claim regarding religious practice, and to my view you are now moving the goalposts by adding refugee/minority status into the claim. Should I assume no formal metastudies?

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by interfixus on Sunday December 17, 2017 @11:27AM (#15946341)
From simple following of daily news. From frequent visits to Malmø over the years. From Malmø friends who are leaving or have already left because the situation is getting out of hand. From top officials in the Malmø police force, who report themselves unable to cope with the escalation. From the official Swedish bureau of statistics, whose numbers are crystal clear.

Also, I do of course realize that this discussion is pointless and impossible, even in the supposedly rational environment of HN.

So far, the only rebuttal I have seen has been "racist dick".

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Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by dashundchen on Sunday December 17, 2017 @11:10AM (#15946281)
Exactly. I'm going to take a wild leap and guess this person has never been anywhere close to Sweden
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by pimmen on Sunday December 17, 2017 @12:01PM (#15946506)
Sweden doesn't record religion in the census. I'm very interested in seeing your source for your statements.

And "the vast majority of violent crimes" does not mean that one group is more disproportionally represented. Don't throw around words you don't understand, such as "majority".

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by interfixus on Sunday December 17, 2017 @10:44AM (#15946155)
No amount of downvoting will contradict my claim. It's a simple matter of publicly available statistics.
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by rwmj on Sunday December 17, 2017 @11:09AM (#15946278)
I think everyone is waiting for you to cite a properly peer-reviewed paper, or any sound evidence at all.
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by interfixus on Sunday December 17, 2017 @02:55PM (#15947312)
And I am waiting for someone to come out and contradict me. Stating either that violent crime in Sweden has not gone up, or that it isn't perpetrated by those I claim are the foremost perpetrators. Or both.

Anyone?

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by glandium on Sunday December 17, 2017 @06:11AM (#15945273)
There's actually an increase in e.g. theft by elders.
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by vardhanw on Sunday December 17, 2017 @07:46AM (#15945539)
This recent news of a 74 year old "ninja-thief" comes to mind http://time.com/4997946/ninja-of-heisei-thief-japan/
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by gozur88 on Sunday December 17, 2017 @01:38PM (#15946984)
"The police said before he was caught he was able to run on top of the walls with ease, rather than in the street."

That's... pretty impressive for a guy that old.

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by arca_vorago on Sunday December 17, 2017 @08:34AM (#15945702)
I just imagine somewhere Masaaki Hatsumi telling one of his old friends hes getting too old to be up to his old tricks...
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by ch4s3 on Sunday December 17, 2017 @10:35AM (#15946112)
And the purple hair is a dead giveaway
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by anvandare on Sunday December 17, 2017 @06:34AM (#15945320)
The most important factors I'd say would be:

(1) overall wealthy (compared to the rest of the world)

(2) political stability, strong rule of law, low corruption

(3) no extreme differences between rich and poor, with the majority being 'middle class' (neither rich, nor poor).

(4) social redistribution and welfare system, reinforcing (3) by avoiding poverty traps (health issues, low education, debt spiral).

(5) near mono-culture whose norms and values value conformity and avoiding social friction ("the needs of the many ...")

(6) relative isolation to the rest of the world, very strict immigration laws, reinforcing (5)

I can see the same properties (somewhat differently, of course) and results in Norway or Switzerland.

All factors naturally reinforce each other. There's undoubtedly more, but I think those are the most important ones.

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by alphonsegaston on Sunday December 17, 2017 @09:23AM (#15945844)
Japan may have political “stability,” but it by no means has a low rate of corruption. Aside from the constant back room dealing where politicians hand out government contracts to their friends and supporters, Abe Shinzo’s party also has long standing ties to organized crime in Japan.

And the “stability” itself is the result of American intelligence services intervention in their political system(dating back to the occupation) to undermine any leftist challenge to conservative rule.

You can read about both circumstances in Tim Weiner’s book on the CIA, “Legacy of Ashes.”

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by LrnByTeach on Sunday December 17, 2017 @11:31AM (#15946355)
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/10/world/welfare-as-japan-kno...

Scholars say that the system in Japan almost never breeds dependence, and they suggest that the Japanese approach has emphasized the work ethic and the importance of family ties.

Caseworkers rigorously check applicants and drop by their homes regularly to make sure that they do not have banned luxuries like cars or air conditioners, and fraud seems extremely rare.

Japan does have two elements of a social welfare program that far surpass anything in the United States: universal medical care and comprehensive day care.

Everyone has access to doctors and hospitals at affordable prices, with the services free for the poor. And neighborhood nurseries throughout Japan provide excellent care for children from six months old to school age, if mothers work, for a modest fee that is waived for low-income families.

Only 1% Japanese births are to unwed mothers. That compares with 30% of USA.

''The Japanese have a tendency to regard it as extremely shameful to receive welfare, and so they are hesitant,'' said Toshio Hata, a senior welfare official in Kawasaki.

An applicant who owns a home is normally advised to sell it and use the proceeds until the money runs out -- and then to apply again. In May, a 96-year-old man was dropped from welfare because it came to light that he had $30,000 in savings. The caseworker told him to use that up and then reapply.

A welfare worker has a caseload of about 60 in Japan, and there is time for regular, unscheduled visits to recipients' homes. The caseworkers have great discretion in handling cases, as well as considerable moral authority in advising recipients what to do.

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by CryptoPunk on Sunday December 17, 2017 @06:36AM (#15945328)
>>social redistribution and welfare system, reinforcing (3) by avoiding poverty traps (health issues, low education, debt spiral).

Japan has a Spartan welfare system:

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/10/world/welfare-as-japan-kno...

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by jchb on Sunday December 17, 2017 @09:14AM (#15945806)
Actually the welfare system is pretty extensive, but many people who need help are hesitant to use it. To quote of one of the guys in the article you linked: ''I could have used it, but I have too much pride,''. That quote sums up a good chunk of Japanese culture.
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by anvandare on Sunday December 17, 2017 @07:15AM (#15945452)
I'm definitely far from knowledgeable on the Japanese welfare system (though that article is from 1996) but at least health care and education seem really cheap (and mandatory). As for the livelihood assistance part of welfare, it seems mostly old people make use of it (since unemployment is so low 2.8% in Japan) - which would link to what glandium said in another post: increase in theft by elders.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2016/06/16/editorials/s...

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by PhasmaFelis on Sunday December 17, 2017 @06:57AM (#15945395)
I recall a ranking a few years back where Japan was the only country in the industrialized world whose welfare system ranked worse than America's.
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by vim_wannabe on Sunday December 17, 2017 @05:36AM (#15945176)
When everyone agrees to a single set of cultural norms you don't need law enforcement to keep them.
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by roryisok on Sunday December 17, 2017 @06:02AM (#15945242)
I think there's more to it than that.
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by pimmen on Sunday December 17, 2017 @06:06AM (#15945257)
That doesn’t explain why crime is going down across the US and the EU too.

Correlation does not equal causation.

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by vim_wannabe on Sunday December 17, 2017 @06:25AM (#15945300)
I was talking more about the philosophical side of things, what with laws often being cultural norms in writing. So when you have multiple different norms things can get ugly and misunderstandings happen. In some countries they are looking into introducing multiple different laws to alleviate this.

Obviously a big part of crime comes out of desperation (hunger) which might be going down as you say.

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by goldfeld on Sunday December 17, 2017 @11:38AM (#15946394)
All american-protected. Maybe people are just getting scared shitless with overbearing eyes? Hint: it's not just chilling for crime.
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by forgotmypw on Sunday December 17, 2017 @06:02AM (#15945243)
As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do

There was just one fatal shooting in the whole of 2015

May 18th 2017 | TOKYO

THE stake-out lasted a week, but it paid off in the end. The tireless police of Kagoshima, a sleepy city in the far south of the country, watched the unlocked car day and night. It was parked outside a supermarket, and contained a case of malt beer. Finally, a passing middle-aged man decided to help himself. Five policemen instantly pounced, nabbing one of the city’s few remaining law-breakers.

Japan’s cluttered streets are not always pretty but they are remarkably safe. Crime rates have been falling for 13 years. The murder rate of 0.3 per 100,000 people is among the lowest in the world; in America it is almost 4 (see chart). A single gun slaying was recorded for the whole of 2015. Even yakuza gangsters, once a potent criminal force, have been weakened by tougher laws and old age.

https://i.imgur.com/QpYCERQ.png

Yet, far from being pensioned off, the police are growing in numbers: beat cops, known colloquially as omawari-san (Mr Walk-around), are a fixture in most neighbourhoods. Japan has over 259,000 uniformed officers—15,000 more than a decade ago, when crime rates were far higher. The ratio of officers to population is very high, especially in Tokyo, home to the world’s biggest metropolitan police force—a quarter bigger than the one protecting New York.

This means plenty of attention for crimes that would be considered too petty to investigate elsewhere, such as the theft of a bicycle or the possession of a tiny amount of drugs. One woman describes how five officers crowded into her cramped apartment after she reported her knickers being swiped from a clothesline. A small army of detectives was assigned last year to apprehend a group of 22 people who had been growing marijuana for their personal use only and smoking it in deserted rural spots.

In fact, as the police run out of things to do, they are becoming more inventive about what constitutes a crime, says Kanako Takayama of Kyoto University. In one recent case, she says, they arrested a group of people who had shared the cost of renting a car, deeming the arrangement an illegal taxi. Some prefectures have begun prosecuting people who ride their bicycles through red lights.

In 2015 a man was arrested for scribbling Adolf Hitler moustaches onto posters of Shinzo Abe, the prime minister. Ms Takayama says detectives have started appearing without permission on university campuses, to monitor “troublesome” students. One reason why police are going after cyclists may be to make up for the steady fall in driving offences. (Both drivers and cyclists can avoid fines by signing up for remedial training at certified driving schools, which are often staffed by retired officers, notes Colin Jones of Doshisha University.) Fifteen years ago police in Hokkaido, in Japan’s sparsely populated north, conspired with yakuza gangsters to smuggle guns into the country so they could meet quotas for finding them.

The hunt for things to do may sometimes be beneficial. The number of reported cases of children being abused at home has almost doubled since 2010, despite the declining birth rate. That suggests the police are increasingly intervening in the domestic sphere, which they used to avoid.

Even critics of Japan’s justice system accept that it gets a lot right. Rates of recidivism are low and a great deal of effort is made to keep young offenders out of the prison system; police work with parents to keep young people on the straight and narrow. Adults are incarcerated at a far lower rate than in most rich countries: 45 per 100,000, compared with 146 in Britain and 666 in the United States.

Yet the police are oddly inefficient. Even though there are so many officers and so few crimes, they solve less than 30% of them. Confessions, often made under duress, form the basis of most criminal prosecutions. The courts dismissed the case of the beer thief in Kagoshima, despite all the work that went into it. Japan is almost crime-free not thanks to the police, says Yoshihiro Yasuda, a campaigning lawyer, but because people police themselves.

This article appeared in the Asia section of the print edition under the headline "Petty officers"

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by visarga on Sunday December 17, 2017 @06:37AM (#15945333)
I think the degree of integration in the Japanese society is higher, so people who deviate are quickly pulled back into the fold. It makes for empty prisons and low crime rate, but peer pressure can be very stressful - that's why there are high suicide rates and hikikomori.

The key to having such a degree of integration is to spread the good equally between social groups - there should not be first and second class. Everyone must be in the same class. Otherwise, the discriminated class will resent it and think of themselves as not part of the same society, so, why respect its rules? Example: black neighborhoods in NY.

The Japanese way of reducing crime - by reducing class difference and keeping everyone well connected in the social web. But I perceive the risk of reduced diversity, lack of creativity and innovation in that kind of system. Integration must be balanced by differentiation and vice-versa, if it is to work well.

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by mobilefriendly on Sunday December 17, 2017 @06:56AM (#15945393)
You've obviously never even been to Japan. There are profound differences in class and status, both economically and gender.
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by kikoreis on Sunday December 17, 2017 @07:32AM (#15945492)
Do you live in Japan? I've been there a few times over the past 40 years, most recently for thr Tokyo ODS, and I think his comment is spot on.
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by lr4444lr on Sunday December 17, 2017 @08:00AM (#15945592)
To both you and grandparent post, how do you square this with the recent article[0] on the isolated elderly?

[0] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/world/asia/japan-lonely-d...

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by washadjeffmad on Sunday December 17, 2017 @10:54AM (#15946203)
You can visit and only see the appearance without understanding. Even if you live there, if you're insulated by your lifestyle, community, or location, you might assume things are pretty much the same everywhere.
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by alphonsegaston on Sunday December 17, 2017 @09:50AM (#15945938)
You obviously know nothing about Japanese history, because otherwise you’d be aware of Burakumin and the caste system in Japan more broadly.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burakumin

Caste-based discrimination was an important civil rights issue for most of the 20th century, and still has long standing effects on the organization and opportunities for people in Japanese society.

And of course there’s also Zainichi Koreans, long standing Chinese communities in places like Kanagawa, the urban rural divide, and countless more divisions that counter you’re simplistic description of Japan as a uniform society.

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by peak_body_yo on Monday December 18, 2017 @01:29AM (#15949867)
The segregation happens on more than just class lines. People segregate based on culture and values.

Despite there being many poor, segregated communities in the USA, crime is perpetrated by and happens in only a few select communities. In fact, many poor communities thrive because of segregation. In an integrated society, members of the poor communities would be marginalized due to language and cultural barriers because there would not be a support network of people from similar cultural backgrounds. (although the communities where crime is commonplace would benefit from integration by spreading the crime around to different communities instead of keeping it within the community)

Japanese culture and values across all groups are much more homogenous and conducive to a civilized society. People look down upon crimes and value hard work and education.

On the other hand, there are communities in the USA who have values that are not conducive to civilized society and that glorify crime and hedonism and look down on the educated. Coincidentally, these communities also disproportionately contain the perpetrators of crimes.

On the surface level, it appears that the value system of the disruptive groups are the problem because many segregated, poor groups can live in civilized peace. Segregation itself is not a problem.

Everything points to the malfunctioning culture and value system of specific groups in the USA. Integration may help in so much as it dilutes the toxicity of the culture and value system of these groups.

Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by roryisok on Sunday December 17, 2017 @06:06AM (#15945258)
Thanks! The gun smuggling story was really interesting. Shows how quotas can so often have a negative effect
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by TomMarius on Sunday December 17, 2017 @07:18AM (#15945459)
Yes, while we're not on smuggling guns-level, the same effect can be observed in the Czech Republic.
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by JKCalhoun on Sunday December 17, 2017 @05:11PM (#15947973)
Community policing probably helps. There is a police station every few blocks it seems in Tokyo.
Re:As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do by ch4ck on Sunday December 17, 2017 @06:03AM (#15945247)
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