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Re:IOTA: A tangled mess by planetjones on Sunday December 17, 2017 @05:01AM (#15945082)
Me too. He may well have valid points but, as someone who has written mission critical software systems in Java, this destroys the credibility of the article for me.
Re:IOTA: A tangled mess by alttab on Sunday December 17, 2017 @11:51AM (#15946449)
On top of that, all of his technical issues with IOTA turned out, by his own admission, to be using the network wrong. Not understanding that buying 1,000s worth of an obscure cryptocurrency is going to come with a heafty dose of RTFM is a fool's errand. Instead of realizing this, the denial in him turns this into "victim blaming."

that said - he's right about IOTA. If that type of use is what it takes to make everything work, it has a long way to go.

Re:IOTA: A tangled mess by JonasJSchreiber on Sunday December 17, 2017 @12:26PM (#15946638)
Using it wrong...would you not try using it exactly as described with $28,000 depending on it? He raised extremely valid points about labeling this 'user error' but the 'correct' use case seems pretty kludge to me and highlights the crypto's shortfalls.
Re:IOTA: A tangled mess by sireat on Sunday December 17, 2017 @02:47PM (#15947287)
The scary thing is that IOTA is considered a top 10 cryptocurrency.

The worst thing is that I can't find a useful alternative crypto currency that can be used stand alone (ie without converting to BTC) for e-commerce.

Only choices are BTC with its high fees and to some extent BCH.

Even Litecoin which is easy to use doesn't have many uses.

Dash, Monero and Zcash make bold claims but aren't particularly useful at the moment.

Re:IOTA: A tangled mess by scrollbar on Sunday December 17, 2017 @03:30PM (#15947492)
I was just researching currencies with fastest transfer time and verified that Ripple works fast and with low fee. Curious if you've taken a look at it for your use case? I bought a small amount recently but am mostly just curious about which of these thousands of coins are actually useful for practical purposes.
Re:IOTA: A tangled mess by sireat on Sunday December 17, 2017 @04:44PM (#15947853)
Forgot to mention Ripple which is an interesting case with its mission to "The world’s only enterprise blockchain solution for global payments".

However, searching for useful things to do with Ripple as an individual leads to nada. All the use cases are provisional.

All the top 20 google results are for how to buy Ripple itself(in order to speculate).

I've started and stopped mining various currencies since BTC in 2011. Each time I stop because I do not see meaningful progress in usability.

Re:IOTA: A tangled mess by mycall on Monday December 18, 2017 @12:07AM (#15949582)
> The world’s only enterprise blockchain solution for global payments

Marketing speak there as all blockchains support global payments.

Re:IOTA: A tangled mess by junk_f00d on Sunday December 17, 2017 @10:18PM (#15949150)
Have you looked into any other DAG tech, besides IOTA? ByteBall and Raiblocks are excellent, functional and mature examples in my opinion that lack IOTA's downsides (likely because they are intended primarily for p2p payments, not IOTA's intended use case as m2m first, p2p second).

In full disclosure, I own a little bit of both. I first stumbled upon them after being disappointed with IOTA, and they deliver on a lot of what my initial expectations of IOTA were. I just want to be able to buy coffee with my crypto and not wait an hour for confirmation times!

Re:IOTA: A tangled mess by acoye on Sunday December 17, 2017 @07:33AM (#15945495)
He may be biased, but you may be too. Are you a Java developer (or android)?

That said, I know some great software can be produced in Java, ElasticSearch been one on top of my mind.

If Security is the goal, nor CPP nor Java is great. Proven Haskell or Rust might be more of a valid option.

Re:IOTA: A tangled mess by amenod on Sunday December 17, 2017 @01:19PM (#15946895)
Different tools have different advantages and Java is as suitable as many others. IOTA needs to prove that protocol is sound, so it doesn't matter if it's in Java, Rust, Go, Python... This point makes the author much less credible in my eyes.

That said, I steer clear of IOTA too. Relevant search terms for me are "IOTA roll your own crypto", "IOTA ternary logic" and "IOTA hash collision". And their whitepaper is indecipherable. Red flags all over the place, IMHO it's a scam.

Re:IOTA: A tangled mess by catwell on Sunday December 17, 2017 @09:46AM (#15945921)
AFAIK Cardano (ADA), which is booming (passed IOTA and became the 6th largest coin this week), is implemented in Haskell.
Re:IOTA: A tangled mess by mhluongo on Sunday December 17, 2017 @11:08AM (#15946271)
A coin "booking" doesn't imply technical strength- that's the problem here.
Re:IOTA: A tangled mess by mhluongo on Sunday December 17, 2017 @02:11PM (#15947122)
*booming
Re:IOTA: A tangled mess by twayamznacct on Monday December 18, 2017 @11:43AM (#15952933)
What I don't get about Cardano is that it has almost NO use at all. The number of transactions per MINUTE can be counted using only your hands (every so often you may need to include your toes):

https://cardanoexplorer.com/

I'm having a really hard time reconciling that with the fact that it's got a market cap in the billions at this point...

Re:IOTA: A tangled mess by jerkstate on Sunday December 17, 2017 @01:52PM (#15947048)
Cardano is a cryptocurrency written in Haskell with the goal of conforming to "high assurance" standards. Looks pretty promising, but like all 3rd gen cryptocurrencies, it is still early days (seems more functional than IOTA though.. no pun intended)
Re:IOTA: A tangled mess by seanwilson on Sunday December 17, 2017 @07:43AM (#15945528)
I wonder if something like OCaml would be a good choice. It's a safe language with good performance plus it gives you an easier route to formally verify the important parts of it. Cross platform is going to be trickier though.
Re:IOTA: A tangled mess by chrisco255 on Sunday December 17, 2017 @12:06PM (#15946536)
That's what Texas is supposed to use but it's wrapped up in lawsuits at the moment.
Re:IOTA: A tangled mess by chrisco255 on Sunday December 17, 2017 @12:06PM (#15946543)
Tezos, not Texas, auto correct...
Re:IOTA: A tangled mess by seanwilson on Sunday December 17, 2017 @04:48PM (#15947868)
Hmm, interesting. I wasn't sure if they were only name dropping that formal verification was possible but they say their developers have backgrounds in it. People mention about making Ethereum more secure using formal verification for example but it's not something you can just do as an afterthought.