Re:Microsoft Intern’s Rape Claim Highlights Struggle to Comb...
by vxNsr on Sunday December 17, 2017 @11:39AM
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I just did some profile snooping and I gotta say that your story is both unique and uplifting and I appreciate your willingness to contribute.
Re:Microsoft Intern’s Rape Claim Highlights Struggle to Comb...
by yesenadam on Sunday December 17, 2017 @02:45AM
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Thank you so much for sharing. You are awesome.
Re:Microsoft Intern’s Rape Claim Highlights Struggle to Comb...
by vfulco on Monday December 18, 2017 @01:01AM
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I agree. Awesome. I hop you write more, maybe on medium.com? I have been shit on for my views; the 'lock the door' kind, trying to address the complexity aspect, not putting oneself in a position of vulnerability. You know, common sense. Accused of being misogynist, etc. when trying to inject logic into arguments. It's pretty damn demoralizing. After an incredible 14 year marriage, having 2 sisters, a mother I adore, a 25 year old female BFF friend, it's really lame to be painted as someone trying to assail feminists.
Sigh. This is perhaps a can of worms I shouldn't open. But here goes:
I was sexually abused as a child. So, in my youth, I very much had the mental model that men are predators and women are prey. It took me a long, long time to sort that out. I think that mental model is shared by quite a lot of people, often without realizing it.
So, if you have internalized this idea that all sex involves a victim and that the woman is probably the victim, well, that explains a lot of the dynamics of discussion that we see, where people implicitly assume that if anything goes wrong in a heterosexual encounter, clearly the man is the perp and the woman is the victim.
I think a lot of people cannot imagine women as having any kind of real power. And therein lies a real huge problem in these discussions, because if you suggest anything women can do differently, you are bad, evil and wrong. Or if you suggest women aren't all paragons of virtue and many would equally take advantage if given the opportunity, this just doesn't sit well with a lot of people.
Someone here mentioned intersectionality, a term I only know from an incredibly toxic environment full of SJWs who claim to want a better world, but mostly crapped all over me rather than being helpful with my problems and also very much are fine with the Lord of the Flies pecking order that is at the root of a lot of social problems. They don't really want to be rid of it. They just want to be at the top doing the shitting, rather than at the bottom getting shat upon.
So if that is your approach, well, duh, the well off white males currently in power aren't going to go along with your plans to make them the acceptable social toilet that everyone gets to crap all over. And when they resist becoming the new victim of our crappy social order, they get accused of all kinds of evil for clinging to the privilege they currently have.
The problems we currently have cannot be resolved by seeking revenge at the societal level. This is an incredibly hard thing to discuss, for a long list of reasons. But the angry, vengeful approach that so many women take helps entrench the problem. It doesn't resolve it.
I don't want revenge. I want constructive change that overall reduces how much people get victimized.
I have been speaking about subjects like rape and women's issues and female empowerment for a long time. It's just a hard, hard subject to have a good discussion on.
I think this one is going incredibly well -- or was. Perhaps this comment will be a thing I very much regret. But it is a thing we eventually need to discuss in the world, and Hacker News has turned out to be the least worst place for me to try to make constructive points on such subjects.
(crosses fingers, hits reply)