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Re:Why Aren’t Any Bankers in Prison for Causing the Financia... by bradleyjg on Saturday December 16, 2017 @12:39PM (#15940561)
> Definitely agree we should have paid off mortgages instead though.

So if Donald Trump has a mortgage on a penthouse apartment worth $25 million the government should have paid that off, but some family making $15,000/year that can't get a mortgage in the first place should get nothing? Pay off all the mortgages is a terrible idea.

Re:Why Aren’t Any Bankers in Prison for Causing the Financia... by isoskeles on Saturday December 16, 2017 @12:54PM (#15940672)
It's a terrible idea mainly in that it is unfair to everyone who didn't drink the kool-aid and buy a house because the value was supposed to always go up. Not just because wealthy people might profit.

If there's ever another bailout, they should heavily regulate the people who gain something from it. Not as a punitive measure, but more like a statement of good faith. "If you bought these homes, surely that meant you intended to live in them. So as a condition of the bailout you can't sell them for more than X or rent them for more than Y." It seems drastic, but I can't see many other ways to approach fairness in that situation.

But I don't think we've learned because people are still arguing over whether we should have just thrown the bankers in prison, like the system wouldn't just replace them with more bankers.

Re:Why Aren’t Any Bankers in Prison for Causing the Financia... by bradleyjg on Saturday December 16, 2017 @01:16PM (#15940824)
> It's a terrible idea mainly in that it is unfair to everyone who didn't drink the kool-aid and buy a house because the value was supposed to always go up. Not just because wealthy people might profit.

It's a terrible idea for a lot of different reasons. Above all because it isn't a good idea. It doesn't come out of any kind of problem solving or optimization logic, just "wouldn't be awesome if I didn't have a mortgage anymore".

> But I don't think we've learned because people are still arguing over whether we should have just thrown the bankers in prison, like the system wouldn't just replace them with more bankers.

People are influenced by fear as well as greed. Of course the system would just come up with more bank executives. We'd want it to. But those bank executives would have something more to fear than just an earlier retirement than they had hoped for. Their greed would push them in one direction and their fear in the other. Hopefully the two would balance out to something closer to the social optimum. At the very least we should expect it to be closer than when there's nothing to fear at all.

Re:Why Aren’t Any Bankers in Prison for Causing the Financia... by richardknop on Sunday December 17, 2017 @03:52AM (#15944882)
Yes it’s a terrible and immoral idea. It basically means giving people with mortgages free houses. What about people who are renting? I wonder how they would feel if other people except them were given free houses from the government.

It also means rewarding fiscal irresponsibility as people who took 90-100% mortgages on big houses and could barely afford repayments are going to be rewarded while fiscally responsible people who were renting and maybe saving for a deposit down the line get nothing.

Re:Why Aren’t Any Bankers in Prison for Causing the Financia... by disgruntledphd2 on Sunday December 17, 2017 @06:26AM (#15945303)
They get more house supply, at a much cheaper price. What tended to happen (at least in places without non-recourse loans) is that all of the people in houses pay way too much towards their mortgage, have to make sacrifices in other areas of their spending, and loads of retail/service employees get fired.
Re:Why Aren’t Any Bankers in Prison for Causing the Financia... by richardknop on Sunday December 17, 2017 @06:31AM (#15945315)
Then rent like the rest of us. Don't take a mortgage if you can't afford it. Rent and save a bigger deposit so you can take mortgage with lower repayments.

The idea that people should be rewarded for making poor choices / taking loans they cannot afford is really worrisome.

Re:Why Aren’t Any Bankers in Prison for Causing the Financia... by jessaustin on Saturday December 16, 2017 @04:14PM (#15942151)
But I don't think we've learned because people are still arguing over whether we should have just thrown the bankers in prison, like the system wouldn't just replace them with more bankers.

Yes it is far better to let the banks fail. Then the system replaces the bankers, with no cost to taxpayers!

Re:Why Aren’t Any Bankers in Prison for Causing the Financia... by mrec on Saturday December 16, 2017 @12:53PM (#15940663)
Agreed. The more sensible forms of debt jubilee I've seen proposed would give money to everyone equally, but with the proviso that if you have debt you have to use the money to pay that off first.
Re:Why Aren’t Any Bankers in Prison for Causing the Financia... by marricks on Saturday December 16, 2017 @12:56PM (#15940687)
Obviously target houses below 400k or what have you.

If you can target tax breaks to wealthy and companies, you can target benefits to other groups.

Re:Why Aren’t Any Bankers in Prison for Causing the Financia... by bradleyjg on Saturday December 16, 2017 @01:11PM (#15940784)
I just don't understand what the point or justification purpose of this massive give away is supposed to be in the first place. Why are people with about twice the median income (=can qualify for a mortgage on $400,000 home) getting a multi-hundred thousand dollar check from uncle sam?

If we are going to do wealth distribution why not start at the bottom and work our way up, instead starting in the middle and working our way up to the upper middle?

Re:Why Aren’t Any Bankers in Prison for Causing the Financia... by marricks on Saturday December 16, 2017 @04:09PM (#15942124)
Why was our solution to bail out the ones that caused the crisis and allow them to just get richer thereafter?

Sure, universal income and taxing the richest more, re-enacting glass-steagall is better I'm just saying in that situation it would have been more moral to just forgive mortgages than what we ended up doing.

Re:Why Aren’t Any Bankers in Prison for Causing the Financia... by paulus_magnus2 on Saturday December 16, 2017 @12:47PM (#15940615)
Thanks to zero interst rates for 10y his apartment is now worth $50 so effectively we paid of his mortgage.