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Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by DennisP on Friday December 15, 2017 @07:24PM (#15936497)
On reason, in the U.S. at least, is that you're supposed to pay capital gains on every little bit you spend. There's a bill in Congress right now to exclude crypto transactions under $600 from capital gains, which would be a big help.

Even if you do want to hold long term, you could just replenish what you spend along the way, if it weren't a tax reporting nightmare.

Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by dogma1138 on Friday December 15, 2017 @07:59PM (#15936662)
You also do so in the UK and virtually every other country I can think off.
Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by DennisP on Friday December 15, 2017 @08:36PM (#15936817)
In the U.S. there's already a small-purchase exclusion for foreign currencies.
Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by garmaine on Saturday December 16, 2017 @03:48AM (#15938544)
Bitcoin is not a currency for tax purposes in the USA.
Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by DennisP on Saturday December 16, 2017 @09:52AM (#15939757)
Right, which is why you can't exclude small transactions now. The bill I mentioned has been introduced to fix that.
Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by speedplane on Saturday December 16, 2017 @03:51AM (#15938552)
Certain states now require you to report bitcoin gains... so actually it is.
Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by zodiac on Saturday December 16, 2017 @04:24AM (#15938647)
All states require you to pay capital gains tax on Apple stock...it must be a currency then
Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by speedplane on Saturday December 16, 2017 @05:11AM (#15938795)
There are a lot of ways of defining what a currency is or is not. Taxing gains on it is one way. Another way is having an official body say so, which has happened in several US court cases.
Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by celticninja on Friday December 15, 2017 @08:11PM (#15936718)
Nope. You only have to report capital gains in excess of your annual allowance, which is £11,300 at the moment.
Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by dogma1138 on Friday December 15, 2017 @08:30PM (#15936790)
You still have to record them. Also don’t forget that if you have an ISA, other savings and investments that allowance isn’t that big.

As an individual if you mine you have to record the value as it was at the time of mining if you buy you record it at the time of purchase and you pay capital gains if you exchange the crypto for fiat currency or goods or services directly on the difference between the values. It gets more complicated since you can’t select an individual currency unit form your wallet but atm you are allowed to use creative accounting for that.

The fact that you have an allowance doesn’t mean it’s not taxed and if you have any substantial amount you’ll blow throgh that allowance pretty darn fast.

Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by celticninja on Sunday December 17, 2017 @04:28AM (#15944973)
You only record them if you otherwise self assessment for tax. If you do t eve self assessment you do not claim if the gain is below £11k unless the total sale is in excess of £45k
Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by psergeant on Saturday December 16, 2017 @01:27AM (#15938121)
I don’t believe any assets held in an ISA have any bearing at all on your capital gains allowance.
Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by golangnews on Saturday December 16, 2017 @04:21AM (#15938641)
This is correct, gains in ISAs are tax free and have no impact on cgt allowance. So if cryptocurrencies were a good investment an ISA would be an excellent place to hold them and convert gains to currency you can spend, but I don’t think any isa providers support them.
Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by dogma1138 on Saturday December 16, 2017 @08:30AM (#15939447)
They don’t have impact unless you sell or cash out.

The same goes for many other assets you pay cgt only when the profit is realized.

Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by golangnews on Saturday December 16, 2017 @02:52PM (#15941572)
No, you don’t ever pay cgt on gains in an isa, that’s the whole point of them. So if you could hold bitcoin (at the moment only an etf is possible), there are no taxes on gains.

https://www.gov.uk/capital-gains-tax/what-you-pay-it-on

Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by psergeant on Saturday December 16, 2017 @07:47AM (#15939304)
Which is a particularly useful case for Bitcoin ETFs
Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by d4rti on Sunday December 17, 2017 @05:21AM (#15945136)
Not wishing to be overly pedantic, but you have to report in any of the following circumstances:

* Capital gains in excess of £11,300 * Disposals (sales) in excess of £45,200 * Losses that you wish to claim

https://www.gov.uk/capital-gains-tax/work-out-need-to-pay

Worth noting e.g. if you receive stock under US company schemes and sell even if you have already been taxed on the gain versus FMV as income. You can be in a circumstance where the taxable gain is under the threshold but disposals are high.

Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by dannyw on Friday December 15, 2017 @08:13PM (#15936724)
The limit is $10k of cost basis in australia. No CGT for anything less.
Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by dogma1138 on Friday December 15, 2017 @08:31PM (#15936796)
Is that based on a yearly tax allowance which means it’s tied to other investments or is this for an individual transaction?
Re:MobileCoin: A New Cryptocurrency from Moxie Marlinspike by wfh on Saturday December 16, 2017 @12:42PM (#15940583)
Do you have link to the proposed text for this bill?