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Re:Thor Electric Truck Will Probably Beat Tesla’s to Market by r00fus on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @03:04PM (#15917152)
How do you compare the roadwear problem to the one of massive pollution caused by burning millions of gallons of petroleum every year to move these vehicles around?

I'm not sure a Model S is in the same category of vehicle as a Honda Pilot. What point are you trying to make?

Agreed that funding the roadways should be a topic of discussion (also because it's private contractors - often with connections to those authorizing public funds).

Re:Thor Electric Truck Will Probably Beat Tesla’s to Market by froindt on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @03:14PM (#15917255)
> How do you compare the roadwear problem to the one of massive pollution caused by burning millions of gallons of petroleum every year to move these vehicles around?

Maybe there should be a joule tax applied to all forms of energy, a portion of which is dedicated to environmental efforts and a portion to infrastructure maintenance? There could be a lower tax rate for green energy (perhaps no environmental element, only road and electric infrastructure costs).

There was lots of debate about net metering in Nevada a year or two ago. One element from that discussion was if everyone was on solar, there wouldn't be money for maintaining the grid. My proposal is to avoid that issue by acknowledging there are costs to remaining connected to the grid even if you net meter to 0.

That would address the environmental side. I think a cost/mile applied to vehicles of different classifications would be the best way to address road wear.

Re:Thor Electric Truck Will Probably Beat Tesla’s to Market by imglorp on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @03:58PM (#15917602)
We have to be careful about a road tax that distinguishes type of vehicle instead of its weight.

One could easily see this becoming politicized to harm whichever industry the state's friends wanted. Eg if Old Fossil wanted a jab at New Electric to "level the field against unfair competition", slapping a big joule tax would do it.

Re:Thor Electric Truck Will Probably Beat Tesla’s to Market by IgorPartola on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @03:09PM (#15917203)
That’s the point. Honda Pilot is an 8 passenger SUV. A much less capable car, the model S weighs as much as the Pilot. So if Tesla were to make an 8 passenger hauler, that car would weigh, what, double the size of the Pilot?
Re:Thor Electric Truck Will Probably Beat Tesla’s to Market by Retric on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @03:30PM (#15917395)
Increasing vehicle volume does not do as much to increase weight as you might think. A Bugatti Veyron Grand Sport is a 4,400 lb lbs 2 seater. In comparison to the original 4,323 lb 5 seater Tesla.
Re:Thor Electric Truck Will Probably Beat Tesla’s to Market by r00fus on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @05:11PM (#15918155)
A more apt comparison, I agree - both luxury sports cars.
Re:Thor Electric Truck Will Probably Beat Tesla’s to Market by r00fus on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @05:15PM (#15918188)
Do people buy Model S vehicles to haul stuff. More to the point, how many Pilots are on the road fully loaded?

My guess? Most people buy both cars to haul 1 person a very few miles almost every day.

Again, presenting data to make a point that lacks context only detracts from your argument.

Re:Thor Electric Truck Will Probably Beat Tesla’s to Market by IgorPartola on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @07:48PM (#15919088)
Wtf are you talking about? I am presenting no data. I am presenting facts: they are different class vehicles, and yet weigh the same. There is no analysis of data necessary to reach that conclusion.

Put another way: the Model S is heavier than most vehicles in its own class. What is so difficult to understand about that?

What you are presenting is opinion (that most Pilot owners only drive a few miles alone) unburdened by any backing facts or data. It may be true, I don’t know. But you provide nothing to back up your claim, yet present it as fact.

Re:Thor Electric Truck Will Probably Beat Tesla’s to Market by rgbrenner on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @03:42PM (#15917472)
the model x is 7 seats, and weighs 5400lbs vs 4200lbs for the honda pilot.
Re:Thor Electric Truck Will Probably Beat Tesla’s to Market by IgorPartola on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @07:50PM (#15919094)
I happen to have owned a Pilot in my life. One of the nice things about it was that I could not only haul people, but also cargo. Full sized dry wall and plywood to be exact.