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Re:South Korea considers cryptocurrency tax by fragsworth on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @10:26AM (#15914780)
> Bitcoin & cryptos are financial weapons of mass destruction.

You need to explain this. Many of us just think it's a good replacement for gold and other precious metals. Is gold a "financial weapon of mass destruction"?

Re:South Korea considers cryptocurrency tax by pjc50 on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @11:14AM (#15915127)
No, it's a "barbarous relic" in the words of Keynes, which is why it's not really used as currency any more. There are real reasons why the world went off the gold standard.
Re:South Korea considers cryptocurrency tax by nine_k on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @12:45PM (#15915864)
Yes, because governments want to print fiat money to finance their debt. It has a nice side effect of moving more money into spending / investment, because inflation eats savings. Instead of gold, people buy homes and stock.
Re:South Korea considers cryptocurrency tax by afsina on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @02:21PM (#15916728)
Or, Keynes was wrong and he is responsible with all the boom and bust cycles and inflationary theft.
Re:South Korea considers cryptocurrency tax by apalmer on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @02:44PM (#15916952)
Serious question, Keynes was born in the late 1880 and didnt publish anything until 1900s... we had boom and bust cycles long before this. How do you explain that?
Re:South Korea considers cryptocurrency tax by afsina on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @03:07PM (#15917186)
Yes there were other boom and busts. But Keynes makes sure of it. According to Hayek (and many others), Keynesian spending policies are not a solution to unemployment or economic crises. On the contrary, they are a real threat to economic stability.
Re:South Korea considers cryptocurrency tax by thkim on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @10:32AM (#15914808)
that's a valid question. three reasons why bitcoin & crypto is NOT like gold and very dangerous. 1) limited supply: drives up price enormously. almost endless. minimal supply, infinitely increasing demand. depending on how far this will go it can potentially suck up all liquidity in the world. 2) no authority, no price stabilization, meaning extreme volatility that adds fuel to vol & price rise, 3) ease of access: anyone can buy with a dollar, also fueling to vol & price rise.

how bitcoin will end looks very ugly to me in any case. either collapsing a global economy or bringing an unprecedented global inflation

Re:South Korea considers cryptocurrency tax by jstanley on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @11:01AM (#15915050)
> 1) limited supply [...] 2) no authority [...] 3) ease of access

But there must be something bad about it as well, right?

Re:South Korea considers cryptocurrency tax by afsina on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @02:29PM (#15916800)
All your points are positively good things.

1- Limited supply prevents money printing and inflationary theft. Besides there are many coin alternatives and a BTC can be divided to a hundred million units.

2- No `central` authority is a big plus (probably the best property of it). Once crypto coin pass its infancy, the volatility will be much lower.

3-Ease of access. Another superb property.

Re:South Korea considers cryptocurrency tax by thkim on Thursday December 14, 2017 @01:10AM (#15920285)
1 - money printing is not crony capitalism like what bitcoin creators tout them to be. it is a method of stabilizing value. when used wrong it can destroy economy (venezuela, zimbabwe), but that is a question of politics (voting wrong people). bitcoin or crypto's decentralization is NOT a solution to this problem. also bitcoin is particularly problematic because it gained traction. value is simply sum of people's belief. when other coins gather enough followers then it will similarly be a problem, but not at the moment.

2 - this is false. if you know how currencies work you will know that this whole "decentralization" makes no sense. central authority is required for a currency because price needs to be stabilized. unlike what some people believe, bitcoin will not "self-stabilize" because currency stabilization has nothing to do with how many people use it. currency stabilization works by an authority dictating how much it should worth and manipulating market towards it. this is not some conspiracy, it is a protection provided for all currency users. not only bitcoin offer zero protection (completely exposed to vol risk), but also it is not really decentralized as 40% of entire bitcoin owned is owned by 1000 people only.

3 - yes, this is a good property. so there should be a state sponsored coin.

Re:South Korea considers cryptocurrency tax by patrickk on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @02:45PM (#15916957)
> either collapsing a global economy

Barely anyone uses bitcoin as a percentage of the world's total population, this isn't even remotely feasible today, or likely even in five years.

Re:South Korea considers cryptocurrency tax by thkim on Thursday December 14, 2017 @01:17AM (#15920316)
us economy is big so bitcoin feels like a noise right now. in other countries, it is a real threat. it's going to take some years until us feels the heat, but by then it will be too late.
Re:South Korea considers cryptocurrency tax by nopinsight on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @12:20PM (#15915643)
I’m curious. How would it bring about global inflation since almost all of bitcoin is not really used for getting goods/services and people need to exchange real dollars/yen/etc to drive up its price? Doesn’t it actually suck out liquidity from other assets and drive down inflation of other assets?
Re:South Korea considers cryptocurrency tax by thkim on Thursday December 14, 2017 @01:16AM (#15920312)
bitcoin's price increase creates inflation because it makes holders wealthy. inflation is not a bad thing when driven by fundamental growth (value creation). bitcoin is not creating value.
Re:South Korea considers cryptocurrency tax by fosco on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @10:36AM (#15914859)
it is far easier to transfer 10 million dollars wworth of bitcoin than it is 10 million of gold.

this comparisons are _not_ doing either bitcoin nor gold justice.

bitcoin is far more liquid, accessible and usable than gold ever will be. I will start calling it Internet Liquid Gold... because while the transactions might be slow, being able to transfer it across continents multiple times back and forth is possible before someone can go to their version of fort knox and put actual gold in a truck.

Re:South Korea considers cryptocurrency tax by tomtimtall on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @10:45AM (#15914930)
People don't move gold around. They trade gold IOU's which can be transferred faster than bitcoin, with far lower fees.
Re:South Korea considers cryptocurrency tax by SyneRyder on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @11:59AM (#15915469)
Occasionally they do move gold physically, like when Germany moved $27 Billion of gold from the United States & France back to Germany:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/23/germanys-central-bank-just-s...

Re:South Korea considers cryptocurrency tax by nybble41 on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @02:53PM (#15917029)
> People don't move gold around.

Precisely, because it's slow and expensive. If you're going to hold out transfers of IOUs in place of actual gold, that can work for any commodity; a Bitcoin IOU would function just as well as a gold IOU. As a practical example, most Bitcoin exchanges allow transfers between members instantaneously and without any notable fees. Of course, that reintroduces a trust relationship. The point of having actual gold in-hand, or actual bitcoins recorded on the blockchain, is that the transfer is completed and effectively irreversible. You don't get that with IOUs.

Re:South Korea considers cryptocurrency tax by mortenjorck on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @03:15PM (#15917264)
Would the analogy to gold IOUs then be the Lightning Network?
Re:South Korea considers cryptocurrency tax by jlawer on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @05:04PM (#15918098)
I would not say bitcoin is more usable then gold as gold has numerous industrial purposes (electronics, optics, thermal and electronic shielding).

If we were able to infinitely replicate gold and bitcoins, gold would still have value, bitcoins would not.

Re:South Korea considers cryptocurrency tax by fosco on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @08:55PM (#15919399)
I agree with your sentiment, I should have asserted that I was thinking strictly for use as a currency.

as an aside, no one can make infinite of anything so I do not think that part of the comment applies.