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Re:Former Uber employees have gone into debt to exercise opt... by influx on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @12:06PM (#15907190)
They hired too many, too fast. When I was there, the whole thing was chaos. Instead of using a cloud provider, they are building basic infrastructure because engineers have to do something.

Beyond the obvious HR issues that Susan Fowler exposed, it was a bad place to work for almost any engineer. I would stay far away if you get an offer there.

Re:Former Uber employees have gone into debt to exercise opt... by lhorie on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @12:54PM (#15907752)
> Instead of using a cloud provider

As I understand, we tried using AWS to power key infrastructure but ran into scalability/cost issues. We still use 3rd providers for various things but my understanding is that a lot of this eng work is to reduce the costs incurred from these services.

I do agree though, as a new hire, that the culture here is quite a bit on the NIH side, compared to a more traditional software shop.

Re:Former Uber employees have gone into debt to exercise opt... by influx on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @02:38PM (#15908746)
I probably can't say a lot due to NDA, but does it make sense to you that AWS or Google Cloud can't scale to the level of Uber, such that Uber has to build their own datacenters and write their own Lambda equivalent?

Further, does it make sense that you'd rather buy hardware up front to scale for Halloween and New Years instead of being able to dynamically surge your infrastructure?

Re:Former Uber employees have gone into debt to exercise opt... by mlazos on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @03:28PM (#15909154)
Does it make sense that managing your own hardware and data center is extraordinarily expensive? Why do you think public cloud providers are so popular? I don’t buy your scalability argument either. Netflix has about 100m users and moved from having their own data centers to AWS and is extremely profitable. Uber has 40m. Given they might have different requirements for a system it might make sense but if scalability is the main reason, that is a bad excuse to undertake a huge infra investment.
Re:Former Uber employees have gone into debt to exercise opt... by influx on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @04:42PM (#15909790)
I think we are violently agreeing :)
Re:Former Uber employees have gone into debt to exercise opt... by lhorie on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @05:10PM (#15909974)
> I don’t buy your scalability argument

Oh, that was what I was told during new employee training. I'm not in the infra org and tbh, I don't really buy the do-it-in-house-for-scalability argument either. I've also seen other employees express sentiments similar to influx's wrt infra.

Re:Former Uber employees have gone into debt to exercise opt... by alexeldeib on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @05:53PM (#15910241)
OP mentioned below, but for clarity you are in complete agreement with the comment you replied to.
Re:Former Uber employees have gone into debt to exercise opt... by olivermarks on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @12:41PM (#15907604)