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Re:Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th by rbanffy on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @11:02AM (#15906535)
What happened to rendering farms?

When I did 3D (3D Studio DOS, long time ago) I had a couple beefy rendering slaves. My desktop was not even the fastest machine on the group - it just happened to have a better graphics card (a Matrox one IIRC).

If I had to do it now, I'd have an iMac on my desk (because the screen is so incredibly awesome) and a bunch of Dells (or custom built) boxes on a rack at the other end of a fat pipe).

Re:Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th by wlesieutre on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @11:27AM (#15906806)
I'm sure render farms are great, but if a single modern computer would be fast enough, why bother? He also does just as much photography and 2D advertising work, which as far as I know wouldn't benefit from one.
Re:Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th by rbanffy on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @01:58PM (#15908345)
I would say even the 8-core one is pretty much fast enough for mostly anything 2D you can throw at it and a buy-and-forget option for the next couple years. Also, keep in mind even Apple thinks this is a stopgap computer - they still mentioned the future modular MacPro on the last event.
Re:Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th by wlesieutre on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @06:08PM (#15910356)
I'm sure the 8-core iMac Pro is a great computer but it's also a $5000 computer. I'm glad they're getting back to a modular Mac Pro, but people have been bailing for years and are continuing to bail while said computer doesn't exist yet. $5000 for a stopgap computer without an upgradable GPU just strikes me as insane.

There are external GPU docks, but if I'm paying $3000-$5000 for a computer I'd rather it just have 3-4 PCIe slots.

Re:Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th by rbanffy on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @06:11AM (#15913504)
The GPU that comes with this machine costs about US$ 1000. The CPU seems to be an 8-core E7 for the lower end model, which is slightly north of USD 1200. With 32 GB of RAM and a 5K 27 inch best-in-class monitor and a reasonable amount of PCIe flash storage, the USD 5K is not bad at all. A cutting edge GPU costs about that and, if you are serious about having the top-performer you should count on spending that much in gear every year.

Things could be different if you didn't need the screen (I need the pixel count, but not so much the density and color precision, for instance) and would prefer the cash to be invested in memory (32 is enough for me now, but I'd get 64 or 128 for a machine that has to be usable 5 years from now).

Re:Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th by wlesieutre on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @09:41AM (#15914464)
I don't disagree about any of the specs, but when next year rolls around I'd rather be able to upgrade my GPU and add more RAM, not replace the whole thing including an best-in-class 5K display just because it's all glued together.

I'll also point out that the iMac used to be able to be plugged in as a display (target display mode), but the iMac Pro isn't listed on the compatible models page. For whatever reason, they dropped that feature after the 2014 models and decided not to reintroduce it.

Once you're no longer using it as your primary workstation, that gorgeous 5K panel is going up on Ebay or wherever along with the rest of the computer. If you want to spend your money efficiently, I have a hard time believing that's a better deal than a workstation and monitor from Dell or similar.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/06/15/2017-4k-5k-imacs-w...

Re:Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th by rbanffy on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @10:32AM (#15914817)
> not replace the whole thing including an best-in-class 5K display just because it's all glued together.

That's a fair point. With this machine you are committed to a certain performance over a long period before you commit yourself to the next machine. With a modular design, you can change the asset in smaller increments, at the cost of having an upgrade process to manage.

Re:Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th by wlesieutre on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @12:07PM (#15915535)
Admittedly I'm not the target market, since I use some Windows-only software and my work computer's years-old GPU and is fast enough for the CAD work I do.

I do make incremental upgrades on my personal desktop though (mostly gaming). The last rebuild was triggered by some failed parts, so I ended up doing a new motherboard and processor and switching to DDR4, but I still have the GPU, screen, SSDs, and some other miscellaneous components. If I'd had an out of warranty failure on an iMac Pro motherboard I wouldn't have been able to salvage those. Or perhaps knowing that giving up the computer means losing the screen along with everything else, I'd have just shelled out a couple of thousand dollars on repairs.

I was a pretty early adopter of 4K screens and I'm still using the same one more than three years later.

Re:Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th by thinkythought on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @11:29AM (#15906826)
I looked into this recently and a lot of apps mentioned here, like premiere, don't even support offloaded rendering now

Yes, seriously

Re:Apple iMac Pro goes on sale December 14th by rbanffy on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @12:01PM (#15907144)
> Yes, seriously

With all the cloud offerings available, this is very fucked up. I can pretty summon a Top 500 cluster in minutes and can't use it to render my 30-second spot in 8K HDR for downscaling into broadcast...