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Re:In the Middle Ages, the Upper Class Went Nuts for Almond ... by jdavis703 on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @09:30AM (#15905757)
Sure, it's not the same as dairy milk, but I don't get this whole "don't call plant-based milk 'milk'" meme. What about Milkweed, or the white oozing "milt" that comes out of a dandelion stalk? Can those also not be called milk?

Maybe if there was a good word that quickly described what rice, soy, or oat milk was it would be OK. But simply calling them "juice" seems to be even more of a culinary misnomer.

Re:In the Middle Ages, the Upper Class Went Nuts for Almond ... by nnq on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @09:55AM (#15905933)
it's not about what you call it... it about not adding s to it to make it more like "cow milk" now that you call it milk

like in, "look, kids are eating this for breakfast, we need to fortify it vitamins and stuff to prevent deficiencies"... nevermind that those extra vitamins will just increase the risk of cancers or stuff in adults. it's becoming hard to find the "un-enhanced" sortiments of many products.

Re:In the Middle Ages, the Upper Class Went Nuts for Almond ... by athenot on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @10:14AM (#15906089)
While I'm generally a fan of leaving foods as untouched as possible, I have not seen any link between vitamin D3 in the dosage applied to milk and cancer. Conversely, vitamin D deficiency is a population health problem (widespread), so the tradeoff is warranted.
Re:In the Middle Ages, the Upper Class Went Nuts for Almond ... by nnq on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @10:32AM (#15906249)
> vitamin D deficiency is a population health problem (widespread)

...despite the study that got very popular on HN lately this is far from a clearly agreed upon theory. There's still only retrospective data and with enough confounding factors to make drawing any inference on the causality of things very very hard. Until we all start wearing blood-analyzing implants for a generation or so, >50% of nutrition related studies will continue either being bullshit or not meaning what we think they mean,

Re:In the Middle Ages, the Upper Class Went Nuts for Almond ... by lawlessone on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @11:18AM (#15906699)
In fairness if we're reading hacker news we're probably D3 deficient.
Re:In the Middle Ages, the Upper Class Went Nuts for Almond ... by chicob on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @01:19PM (#15907999)
Of course, I forgot vitamins. Who needs doctors when we have corporate nannies telling us how to eat healthily.

I don't know about cancer, but food additives aren't always a good idea.

Extra calcium is not really absorbed without vitamin D3 (more specifically, calcitriol), but I imagine that if one has a kidney condition one would have to avoid such food additives.

Even the addition of iodine to salt is not without consequences.

Re:In the Middle Ages, the Upper Class Went Nuts for Almond ... by chicob on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @12:42PM (#15907616)
There was a time in the US margarine had to be dyed pink, so that consumers wouldn't take it for butter. Of course no one would confuse the two: it's just a disingenuous way of using antitrust law against the very competition it's supposed to protect.

The same thing happens here: soy yoghurt is 'soy dessert', soy/rice/* milk is '* beverage'.

I'm not sure this is actually enforced, or brands are just covering their asses.

Re:In the Middle Ages, the Upper Class Went Nuts for Almond ... by calvano915 on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @01:22AM (#15912444)
I don't get this whole "don't call plant-based milk 'milk'" meme

I'm on both sides of this. I think it should be called milk, and the public should understand that the nutrition is very different, but perhaps for public interest not calling it milk is better because cow milk does offer more bang-for-buck and nutrition (particularly protein and vit D fortification) and the public could easily overlook this. I lean toward not calling it milk, because everyone who wants almond milk knows what to buy or can figure it out quite easily, even if it's not called milk any more.

Re:In the Middle Ages, the Upper Class Went Nuts for Almond ... by LunaSea on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @09:39AM (#15905818)
They should really call almond milk: "drought inducing almond juice" to fully reflect the consequences of that choice.
Re:In the Middle Ages, the Upper Class Went Nuts for Almond ... by devmunchies on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @09:47AM (#15905871)
Drought inducing? Are you forgetting that feeding cows is much more inneficient than growing crops? They drink lots of water and eat lots of corn/soy, and that corn and soy requires lots of water to grow.

AND you have to feed the calf a milk substitute because we're stealing it's meal.

If you must have milk, drink dairy substitutes if you care about drought.

Re:In the Middle Ages, the Upper Class Went Nuts for Almond ... by JoeAltmaier on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @09:49AM (#15905882)
Depends on whether you already have pasture for cows. They ate grass in the middle ages, which people couldn't eat.

Even today, they eat grass for the bulk of their lives. They are 'finished' with corn/soy to add marbling.

Re:In the Middle Ages, the Upper Class Went Nuts for Almond ... by devmunchies on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @10:02AM (#15905985)
If you don't have pastures for cows or for the corn/soy then you make it right? Also terrible for the environment.

It's a massive system beyond simply "eating the grass which people couldn't eat". People consume many times more dairy and eat many times more beef than in history.

There's not enough land for all of the cows to free graze. It was estimated we would need something like 7 Earths to feed the world on the Western diet.

Re:In the Middle Ages, the Upper Class Went Nuts for Almond ... by JoeAltmaier on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @10:41AM (#15906320)
Feedlots feed out with hay/grain, molasses and silage. The grain was (nominally) edible by humans; the rest is not. Over 100 days they eat ~1500kg per head total and gain around 140kg (meat).

So when counting the grain used against the cost of meat, include the dry material as well for a fair comparison.

Re:In the Middle Ages, the Upper Class Went Nuts for Almond ... by maxerickson on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @10:16AM (#15906107)
Per capita consumption was likely quite a bit higher in the early US:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/06/how-ameri...

Of course the total consumption has gone up because of the massive increase in population.

Re:In the Middle Ages, the Upper Class Went Nuts for Almond ... by devmunchies on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @10:24AM (#15906177)
But we hardly ate cheese in the early US. There were only a handful dairies. Now we are the #1 cheese producing country.
Re:In the Middle Ages, the Upper Class Went Nuts for Almond ... by maxerickson on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @10:01AM (#15905971)
In lots of feedlots they are gaining several hundred pounds. It's more than marbling.
Re:In the Middle Ages, the Upper Class Went Nuts for Almond ... by aklemm on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @10:25AM (#15906188)
Wait a minute, does this mean my diet containing a lot corn and some soy has marbled me? Hmm, that can't be good.
Re:In the Middle Ages, the Upper Class Went Nuts for Almond ... by LunaSea on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @10:32AM (#15906248)
> It takes 1.1 gallons (5 litres) of water to grow one almond, and thanks to the big profits they bring in, almond orchards continue to be planted (this isn’t to say cow’s milk, which takes about 100 litres of water to produce 100ml of milk, is more environmentally friendly – more that its production is not concentrated in one area of the globe).

cf: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2015/oct/...

Re:In the Middle Ages, the Upper Class Went Nuts for Almond ... by TrisMcC on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @09:46AM (#15905860)
What would you call cow's milk then? It takes more water to make cow's milk than almond milk.
Re:In the Middle Ages, the Upper Class Went Nuts for Almond ... by neaden on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @09:57AM (#15905947)
To be fair though, the milk I drink comes from Wisconsin, which isn't have a drought, while the almonds I eat/drink come from California which is having a drought. Unfortunately we can't grow almonds in most of the parts of the country that have plenty of water, but we can raise cows.
Re:In the Middle Ages, the Upper Class Went Nuts for Almond ... by TrisMcC on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @10:04AM (#15906005)
There are plenty of farm animals in California. That contributes more to the drought of California than almonds.

http://veganstart.org/wp-content/uploads/vs-graphic-truthord...

Sourced PDF: http://pacinst.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/21/2013/02/ca_ft...