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Re:Exercism – Level up your programming skills by ghostbrainalpha on Monday December 11, 2017 @05:15PM (#15901035)
>- Perl/PHP/Bash: Learn to cry bitter, sorrowful tears.

This is a common misconception. PHP tears are actually almost sweet and not bitter at all. The only saltiness comes from hearing the opinions of other programmers talk about your primary language.

Re:Exercism – Level up your programming skills by jjjensen90 on Monday December 11, 2017 @06:08PM (#15901588)
I've written large, important things in C++, Kotlin, Scala, Java, Go, Javascript, PHP, etc... PHP in 2017 is great. PHP 7 is nice to use. Laravel is one of the best frameworks I've used. We have applications making millions of dollars a year running on a couple containers running Laravel 5 at my current job.

It's not a perfect language, but none are. I think some people are just jealous of how little setup/barrier to entry there is for PHP ;)

Re:Exercism – Level up your programming skills by vile on Monday December 11, 2017 @09:45PM (#15902639)
nobody is making fun of PHP out of jealousy
Re:Exercism – Level up your programming skills by cutler on Monday December 11, 2017 @08:37PM (#15902400)
Genuinely interested - which app is making millions a year on Laravel?
Re:Exercism – Level up your programming skills by stevenwoo on Monday December 11, 2017 @11:06PM (#15902925)
It sounds like Pornhub is using PHP without a framework from this job posting or maybe they are just open minded.

https://www.reddit.com/r/forhire/comments/47fvmk/hiring_mont...

Re:Exercism – Level up your programming skills by jjjensen90 on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @02:22AM (#15903648)
Publishing and ad management at a large publisher/adtech company
Re:Exercism – Level up your programming skills by kod on Monday December 11, 2017 @07:48PM (#15902186)
Yeah, no, not when your primary language still can't get lexical scope right, or distinguish between arrays and hashtables.
Re:Exercism – Level up your programming skills by Will_Parker on Monday December 11, 2017 @10:08PM (#15902715)
The lack of distinction between array vs hashtable isn't a big deal. Array as a map from integers to items works fine in practice. Even speaking of algorithm performance, it's fine for the uses you have on a web server. (Any other use of PHP is clearly insane. :) )

You speak like someone who hasn't worked much in PHP. When you do, a lot of quirks and flaws really bother you and slow down during everyday tasks, but the ones you mentioned aren't they.

Re:Exercism – Level up your programming skills by mcny on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @07:29PM (#15910895)
> a lot of quirks and flaws really bother you and slow down during everyday tasks

Would you mind sharing a few that bother you? q

Re:Exercism – Level up your programming skills by Aeolun on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @03:15AM (#15912830)
The fact that `false` isn't always false. Or that '0' or 0 or null are all 'false'.

There's a bunch more quirks in Zend Framework that I use every day that are much worse than all the rest of PHP though.

Re:Exercism – Level up your programming skills by mark-r on Monday December 11, 2017 @11:04PM (#15902913)
It occurred to me not long ago that hash tables are a general solution to indexing, and arrays are simply an optimization that you can apply when the proper constraints are in place. I'm happy to discover that it wasn't an original thought.
Re:Exercism – Level up your programming skills by nedt on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @05:27AM (#15904400)
You can always use SPL for more strict datastructures (since 5.3): https://secure.php.net/manual/en/class.splfixedarray.php
Re:Exercism – Level up your programming skills by charred_toast on Monday December 11, 2017 @07:00PM (#15901944)
PHP was my first bike, so to speak, so I can't knock it. Plus later I learned Slack was written in PHP, and I was like, whoa! I definitely think it gets a bad rap, mainly because it's almost too easy to use, correctly and incorrectly.
Re:Exercism – Level up your programming skills by charred_toast on Monday December 11, 2017 @07:10PM (#15901993)
Cam someone explain why this comment was down-voted?
Re:Exercism – Level up your programming skills by teh_klev on Monday December 11, 2017 @08:03PM (#15902253)
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.

Re:Exercism – Level up your programming skills by Cofike on Monday December 11, 2017 @05:50PM (#15901424)
I worked with a guy who uses PHP in 2017 and we never let him forget it.
Re:Exercism – Level up your programming skills by cubano on Monday December 11, 2017 @06:11PM (#15901606)
It's probably so easy for him to forget because he is so busy shipping working apps...